? Estimated Delivery Date Window is LIVE! What’s Yours?! ?

[COdogman]

@COdogman
Only 18% says no delay in this poll of 250 odd pre order holders.

I saw. I mentioned that in a post above. I also don’t feel like you can lump the 1-3 month votes into supporting an argument that “all R1S orders” are delayed for the reasons stated. Hell, most people who get the call their order is ready soon are still often 8 weeks out. If you add those categories together you are looking at 46% of the poll responses. It’s not that simple.

I totally understand the frustration of any delay after waiting for 3-4 years. I just think it’s important to focus on the things we actually KNOW and not make $hit up.

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[paariv]

Every single undelivered/no VIN R1S who had a 2022 delivery date now has at 2023 date. All of them -not a single person has a new delivery window in 2022. That's my evidence. All the unfulfilled Oct-Dec orders are now 2023 orders.

So yeah, it's clear there's some change in the delivery plan. And Rivian didn't say it was supply chain, so the most likely conclusion is that they deprioritized us.

There is evidence and logic behind this conclusion. And it seems like only rose-colored glasses on the other side.What about the 18% who reported they didn't have a delay? Well there are lots of 2023 orders (as projected in June 2022) still scheduled for 2023, and these polls are plagued with bad data anyways. So I don't think that's a rebuttal.

 

[0=====0]

Naw, that was not said in the interview. Some people are justifiably trying to figure out WTF happened this week, but the idea of a R1S production "freeze" is contradicted by the fact that people on this thread have already said they have delivery windows during the times people are claiming R1S production is "frozen" and there are those whose R1S windows were not pushed back and delayed further. The R1S delay poll hints at this, but the "how much of a delay are you seeing" is not also cross-referenced with all of the other things that matter (order date, LE/non-LE, interior/exterior color, location, youtuber status, relationship with Satan, etc.). Also, there were certain emails that went to some folks and not others, from which the key quote about "build plans" comes from. As to what that specifically means... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Someone knows, but they either aren't on this forum or are not liable to share proprietary information about Rivian's production plans with us yahoos.

I ordered mine over a year after @0=====0 and have the same new delivery window, so I feel how they could be justifiably salty about this latest update; they are danger close to the 4 year mark. I don't think they are wrong in being upset at this moment. Lord knows I've felt poopy about things over the last two years at times. And we all know Rivian has messed things up at times...

However, October '21 R1S pre-order holders who thought they were walking out of this with a Q1-Q2 '23 delivery date seems to indicate they haven't been paying attention and/or been an active member of this forum; that belies the absolutism of their statements. People are on here talking about being in the 4 year wait club and others who signed up on day 1 for an Adventure because Max Pack was a thing and now have neither Max Pack nor "prioritized delivery" - my empathy is abundant for both of those groups. I forget that sometimes myself...

I don't think R1S production froze. I can see why pre-orders over a year apart can have the same window. Ideally if they Ramp to 300-400 per week, then we will be in the same window. Not salty about it at all.

My issue is giving a delayed delivery window half way through my current delivery estimate. I have no confidence that my feb-march window will hold. Specially since there is another update coming Jan.

 

[JerseyGreens]

Every single undelivered/no VIN R1S who had a 2022 delivery date now has at 2023 date. All of them -not a single person has a new delivery window in 2022. That's my evidence. All the unfulfilled Oct-Dec orders are now 2023 orders.

So yeah, it's clear there's some change in the delivery plan. And Rivian didn't say it was supply chain, so the most likely conclusion is that they deprioritized us.

There is evidence and logic behind this conclusion. And it seems like only rose-colored glasses on the other side.What about the 18% who reported they didn't have a delay? Well there are lots of 2023 order still in 2023, and these polls are plagued with bad data. So I don't think that's a rebuttal.

Exactly. @COdogman - you clearly don't understand simple logic. If all of the 2022 S estimates got pushed into 2023 that translates into all R orders got pushed out to make Ts.

Is that so hard to grasp?

We have our own R1S threads going on separate from these yet you want to be combative asking for data...

Well @paariv gave you all the data you need...

 

[md11phlyer]

"In transit" ?

 

[crashmtb]

From the latest email:
" Your window has moved back due to an adjustment in our build plan"

All R1S pre-orders got new delayed delivery estimates. What else are they building? EDV is a separate production line. It says clearly "adjustments in build plan" not "supply chain issues ".

Come on! Does not take a genius to put 2 and 2 together!

There were several emails sent out. Not every R1S preorder got that email. People local to me just got the "your update is coming in january" message, nothing conveyed about production mix changing.

I have worked in manufacturing my entire adult life. Lots of time wrangling forecasts and schedules. "Adjustments in build plan" can absolutely and probably does mean "supply chain issues". It could be anything, it could be supply issues with parts they make in house even.

If there is one thing rivian has been doing consistently it is uniformly not telling its customers enough.

I got more information and context from the tony caravano interview with rivian stories than I have in any email from rivian. Too bad I found it after cancelling my preorder based on the information I received from Rivian directly.

 

[0=====0]

There were several emails sent out. Not every R1S preorder got that email. People local to me just got the "your update is coming in january" message, nothing conveyed about production mix changing.

I have worked in manufacturing my entire adult life. Lots of time wrangling forecasts and schedules. "Adjustments in build plan" can absolutely and probably does mean "supply chain issues". It could be anything, it could be supply issues with parts they make in house even.

If there is one thing rivian has been doing consistently it is uniformly not telling its customers enough.

I got more information and context from the tony caravano interview with rivian stories than I have in any email from rivian. Too bad I found it after cancelling my preorder based on the information I received from Rivian directly.

There might be variables behind the pushed back delivery. But let's not try to guess and make it more complicated than it needs to be.
Rivian has so far said supply chain is improving (I think earnings call and maybe Tony Reditt AMA?). Unless Rivian directly says it's supply chain related, I would not accosiate adjusting build plan with supply chain.

Just curious, What new info did you find in the Tony RS call? I saw your comment and went back and saw that video, but didn't find anything new. Maybe I missed something. Can you please share a couple of things you heard from that call? Some info that might have stopped you from canceling?

 

[COdogman]

Every single undelivered/no VIN R1S who had a 2022 delivery date now has at 2023 date. All of them -not a single person has a new delivery window in 2022. That's my evidence. All the unfulfilled Oct-Dec orders are now 2023 orders.

So yeah, it's clear there's some change in the delivery plan. And Rivian didn't say it was supply chain, so the most likely conclusion is that they deprioritized us.

There is evidence and logic behind this conclusion. And it seems like only rose-colored glasses on the other side.What about the 18% who reported they didn't have a delay? Well there are lots of 2023 orders (as projected in June 2022) still scheduled for 2023, and these polls are plagued with bad data anyways. So I don't think that's a rebuttal.

Actually the 18% (and arguably the 28% of 1-3 month delays) are proof that is not correct. If 18 % said their window did not change at all, that is evidence that not ALL deliveries were pushed back isn't it? There must be a reason why. Are they close to delivery? Do they have a configuration that doesn't require delay? If that is true then the other 82% DO have something about their order that is causing a delay.

And "change in the delivery plan" could mean just about anything, including supply chain couldn't it? Everyone is free to believe what they want (obviously). Isn't it frustrating enough without looking for additional reasons? I'm not defending Rivian here at all, nor am I putting on "rose colored glasses". They once again did a terrible job communicating what is going on here. That's the point isn't it? Not knowing is not the same as knowing and not liking the reason. No one here actually knows.

 

[COdogman]

Exactly. @COdogman - you clearly don't understand simple logic. If all of the 2022 S estimates got pushed into 2023 that translates into all R orders got pushed out to make Ts.

Is that so hard to grasp?

We have our own R1S threads going on separate from these yet you want to be combative asking for data...

Well @paariv gave you all the data you need...

Again: If 18% (or more) did NOT have their window pushed back, then it clearly did not happen to everyone. Why? GUESSING they are all 2023 orders is just silly. As I keep saying, no one here actually knows.

That's about as "simple" as it gets.

 

[crashmtb]

There might be variables behind the pushed back delivery. But let's not try to guess and make it more complicated than it needs to be.
Rivian has so far said supply chain is improving (I think earnings call and maybe Tony Reditt AMA?). Unless Rivian directly says it's supply chain related, I would not accosiate adjusting build plan with supply chain.

Just curious, What new info did you find in the Tony RS call? I saw your comment and went back and saw that video, but didn't find anything new. Maybe I missed something. Can you please share a couple of things you heard from that call? Some info that might have stopped you from canceling?

Some of the things I gleaned are Rivian never told me there was max pack information coming in the next few weeks, indeed I haven’t received any information specific to my configuration(max pack R1T other than the email about the power tonneau. They never told me updates would be every three months from January.


The email I had from them only said I’d have an update in January, with a bit about how they’re working on plans for when there might be a service centre in my area.

I know from their only Canada-specific email so far that they are not building a service centre here any time soon.

I‘d have waited to see what was going on with max pack if they’d mentioned that further information was coming. if, for instance, it’s going to be whizbang new battery and motors, I’d have held out as it is an improvement over what I’d originally been sold on(four motors, biggest battery capacity).

But Rivian didn’t tell me any of those things, instead I find out from a third party interview with…the person who should’ve been telling customers directly, not a blog.

 

[Turnipsaregreat]

Max pack?

Nope just R1S large pack, dual motor, pre price hike. I did switch to Ocean Coast once they did the wood change, because I thought that problem had been resolved. Maybe it finally will be by 2024.

 

[Dr. Z]

The latest update for the Max pack delivery was 2024. Rivian had over a decade to prepare for production and delivery. At this point, it appears that they mislead their potential customers regarding the possible range, as the max pack model does not exist and there ie no production date, or they are delaying in the hope of cancellation to help with the lower pre production price. It also appears they mislead their stock investors and it could and should result in a class action law suit! Low production volume, missing models, limited color and interior options, & removal of options. The excuse of supply chain does not work. Car manfacturers of all brands are able to supply and deliver cars. Rivian barely delivered 10% of all oreders, if you take into consideration the Amazon order. Rivian lied to the people who pre ordered and to the stock invsetors! Any response is just an excuse, a lie, or an attempt to misdirect and blame outside factors.

 

[emoore]

Nope just R1S large pack, dual motor, pre price hike. I did switch to Ocean Coast once they did the wood change, because I thought that problem had been resolved. Maybe it finally will be by 2024.

You mean quad motor right?

 

[Turnipsaregreat]

You mean quad motor right?

yep. I meant quad.

 

[R1Tiger]

I ordered 2/2020...
I received my order confirmation late Sept 2022.
My online status says "Processing estimate.
I received an email Oct 28

"The delivery window estimate in your Account has been temporarily set to “Processing new estimate” as we finalize plans for when we’ll have a Service Center in your area. We plan to update your Account with a delivery window in January 2023.​

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As we continue to expand our Service Center network, we’re prioritizing deliveries in locations where infrastructure is in place to deliver and provide full support for your ownership experience. While this is not the news you are hoping to hear, we are working hard to provide Rivian owners with a complete ownership experience. Vehicle support infrastructure is key to providing the level of service our owners deserve. We apologize for the impact this update will have on your ability to plan and will continue to bring you news as we have it. "​

I would guess because of recent recalls, they can't afford the expense of shipping vehicles long distance to tighten a bolt. ?

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