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Might sound like a dumb question but does Rivian able to do bi-directionnal charging? If not, is it in the plan? Could it be something added at a later time with OTA update?

just curious as more and more EV are offering this option including the Volvo EX90
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Last year in an interview RJ said current trucks would support it with a special hardware required on the home side that they're working on. But no update since then.
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"2 Different types of products, we have a v2v charger we've developing to charge 1 car with another car. then we have another type, v2h/v2g, where you can charge car or car can power house. It won't be available at launch, but when it comes out it will work with this car(pointed to current production vehicles)"

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is this the power your house when the power goes out thing? if so I'm excited for that you would have to put a switch in place like you would with a generator to auto since power outages and restorations
 

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is this the power your house when the power goes out thing? if so I'm excited for that you would have to put a switch in place like you would with a generator to auto since power outages and restorations
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is this the power your house when the power goes out thing? if so I'm excited for that you would have to put a switch in place like you would with a generator to auto since power outages and restorations
We have solar on the house and it has the same switch. I wonder if having solar makes vehicle to house power more complicated or less?
 

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We have solar on the house and it has the same switch. I wonder if having solar makes vehicle to house power more complicated or less?
If it's like Tesla it would have a special gateway in place. (powerwall that is)
 

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Wallbox is working on their Quasar 2 which does bi-directional charging: https://wallbox.com/en_us/quasar2-dc-charger

It's supposed to release Q1 2023 last I heard, the only caveat is as far as I know pricing hasn't been released yet but people have been speculating in the 3-4K range. No details from Rivian if the R1T/S will be compatible with this one specifically, but I'd imagine once it releases Rivian can push a software update to make it compatible.
 

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I feel like if the hardware was in place for bidirectional charging it would be listed on their website as part of their vehicles with a note "coming soon" or something along those lines. It would be a big deal because not all electric cars have this capability.
 

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I feel like if the hardware was in place for bidirectional charging it would be listed on their website as part of their vehicles with a note "coming soon" or something along those lines. It would be a big deal because not all electric cars have this capability.
I agree. At least the Rivian's have 1,500W 120V AC output, which is enough to run a fridge and freezer and a few other things. Not many EVs even have that, certainly Tesla doesn't. The F150 Lightning is of course the king of the hill as far as power output goes.
 

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Last year in an interview RJ said current trucks would support it with a special hardware required on the home side that they're working on. But no update since then.
a summary
"2 Different types of products, we have a v2v charger we've developing to charge 1 car with another car. then we have another type, v2h/v2g, where you can charge car or car can power house. It won't be available at launch, but when it comes out it will work with this car(pointed to current production vehicles)"

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would really like this option to be possible on the R1 as we have frequent power outages but wish they would make a statement about it one way or the other. id actually been waiting on buying a generator because of what RJ said on that video when it first came out.
 

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is this the power your house when the power goes out thing? if so I'm excited for that you would have to put a switch in place like you would with a generator to auto since power outages and restorations
You still need to do load management, so automatic is more expensive. Just a 7kw inverter and a plug, like the Lightning offers, is good enough for occasional power outages.

Long term the point is to use vehicle batteries to do demand response and lower an owners electrical bill. This function will likely be common in the 2030s. Ideally it requires longer life batteries like Rivian will use in standard range vehicles.
 

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Last year in an interview RJ said current trucks would support it with a special hardware required on the home side that they're working on. But no update since then.
a summary
"2 Different types of products, we have a v2v charger we've developing to charge 1 car with another car. then we have another type, v2h/v2g, where you can charge car or car can power house. It won't be available at launch, but when it comes out it will work with this car(pointed to current production vehicles)"

@14 mins in
My guess is that it will launch side by side with the electro chromatic roof. The language also sound awfully familiar as a 2016 Tesla owner with a Full Self Driving capable vehicle.

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You still need to do load management, so automatic is more expensive. Just a 7kw inverter and a plug, like the Lightning offers, is good enough for occasional power outages.

Long term the point is to use vehicle batteries to do demand response and lower an owners electrical bill. This function will likely be common in the 2030s. Ideally it requires longer life batteries like Rivian will use in standard range vehicles.
According to Wallbox they claim "Quasar 2 will seamlessly transition your home to vehicle energy when the power goes out." which tells me it's all automated, 11.5kW output. Granted it isn't released yet so talk is cheap, but they already have close to final versions built and they're really close to releasing them. I'm guessing it's going to be $3,500 - $4,000 but who knows
 

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We have solar on the house and it has the same switch. I wonder if having solar makes vehicle to house power more complicated or less?
It doesn't make it all that more complicated, but it's very unlikely your solar inverter/s would be able to produce power while the truck is plugged in. It's possible, but it would require some specialized equipment and software to function like a power wall. The difficult part is when your solar is producing more energy than your home is consuming and the car is plugged into the other side. Where does the excess energy production go? The way residential backup batteries deal with the situation where the battery is full and the solar is producing more power than the house needs, is to shift the frequency of the power from the battery's inverter up from 60Hz to 61-62Hz. All modern solar inverters follow this wonderful standard and will throttle down their production based on the frequency until they eventually turn off. I think frequency shift is a beautiful standard and a great example of how competitors in an industry can work together to benefit everyone. The beauty is now everything works with everything without a data connection between the solar inverters and the battery inverter. This is probably more info than you wanted... Sorry for the book. The reason I doubt Rivian's solution will work is the leading companies in this space struggle to produce devices to manage this for less than $5-6k. I think they need to keep it simpler and affordable if they want it to be worth it to consumers. It's just a hunch and I hope I'm wrong. It would be rad if your car could function like a power wall when it's plugged in, but I don't think we're there yet. My guess is it will work about as good as a medium size generator with a max output of about 30 amps and if it sensed power coming in from the other side, be it a generator, solar, or line power, it would disconnect. Pure speculation for sure, though I owned a solar installation company for 10 years and dealt a lot with OEM's and watched this tech evolve. I hope I'm wrong, honestly, cause it would be awesome.
 

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From Rivian Q4 2021 shareholder letter....
During the next 12 months, we will remain focused on ramping up production at our plant in Normal, Illinois, as well as initiating work on our second domestic manufacturing facility in Georgia. We will also continue significant investments in our next-generation vehicle platforms and in-vehicle technologies, including our proprietary 800-volt architecture which includes a new in-house family of drive units for both Dual and Quad-Motor configurations. This 800-volt architecture
also includes an integrated on-board charger, DC to DC converter, and DC to AC converter, where the power stages of the DC-AC and AC-DC are bi-directional
and share semiconductors, magnetics, and the controller. We are also developing a heat pump-based thermal system for improved cold weather efficiency as well as a range of new battery packs including both high nickel and lithium iron phosphate (“LFP”) chemistries. We also continue to develop our portfolio of charging and energy products to expand beyond the DC chargers for both Rivian Adventure Network and Fleet charging to include our bi-directional home charger and
home energy products.
This letter came out after RJ's video. So the latest appears to be that V2H and V2V charging are dependent upon their 800V architecture, which is not in any vehicles in production today.


Last year in an interview RJ said current trucks would support it with a special hardware required on the home side that they're working on. But no update since then.
a summary
"2 Different types of products, we have a v2v charger we've developing to charge 1 car with another car. then we have another type, v2h/v2g, where you can charge car or car can power house. It won't be available at launch, but when it comes out it will work with this car(pointed to current production vehicles)"

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