Electrafi (Teslafi) now available for Rivian

[dleepnw]

so what do you actually do with all this data? something actionable or just interest/curiosity?

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[Electrified Outdoors]

I have a message into ElectraFi but I'm guessing they want a separate account for a couple reasons.

1) access to the vehicle can be easily removed as someone else stated

2) if your using the "owner" Rivian account it presents a greater security risk than simply using a "driver" account.

These are the two things that come to mind for me.

 

[Jiji]

so what do you actually do with all this data? something actionable or just interest/curiosity?

These apps provide a history of use (trips taken, charging sessions) but at the end of the day they are for the amusement of some very proud Rivian owners.

One advantage that ElectraFi has is that they have access to every logged Rivian so they could do comparisons of your Rivian against the universe of Rivians in their database. In TeslaFi this typically would compare your battery state of health to the average at the same odometer but this isn’t possible with the Rivian data.

I suppose you might like knowing you drive or charge more or less than the average owner but they will need be creative with the limited Rivian data to match what the Tesla API users can do.

 

[mkennedy1996]

In TeslaFi this typically would compare your battery state of health to the average at the same odometer but this isn’t possible with the Rivian data.

I believe they have the data to do the battery degradation report. Here is the data from electrFi for my first charge for the R1S as it shows in the battery report.

For those that may not have seen the report before, here is the report on my Tesla Model Y:

 

[Steve A.]

As someone who loves data and whose career is largely rooted in software observability, I love the idea of collecting and analyzing this data. However, there's no effing way I'm handing over my Rivian credentials to a third party. I refused to do this for my Tesla when I owned one, and I'm not doing it for my R1T either. I know it's not "convenient" but these services should advocate for token-based authentication or first-party integrations.

You already agreed to hand over your data to Rivian and its *affiliates* when you signed your Rivian purchase agreement. See https://rivian.com/legal/privacy#sharing for details.

4. Data Policy Notice and Terms of Use You consent to Rivian and/or its affiliates collecting data from You or about You or Your Vehicle (including your Vehicle’s location data) and agree that it will be collected and used in accordance with Our Data Privacy Notice and Rivian Terms, each of which is incorporated herein by reference and available on Our website at rivian.com/legal/privacy and rivian.com/legal/terms. Please read Our Data Privacy Notice and Rivian Terms carefully to understand the data that We collect and Our practices regarding Your information and how it will be treated. If You have questions regarding Our Data Privacy Notice or Rivian Terms, You should contact us by email at [email protected]. ​

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[Steve A.]

Pretty sure I know the answer already (unfortunately), but can we opt out of all tracking including by Rivian? Not a big brother fan at all, want full privacy and no way I agree to a third party.

No per the Rivian purchase agreement clause below which is NOT optional.

4. Data Policy Notice and Terms of Use​

You consent to Rivian and/or its affiliates collecting data from You or about You or Your Vehicle​

(including your Vehicle’s location data) and agree that it will be collected and used in accordance with​

Our Data Privacy Notice and Rivian Terms, each of which is incorporated herein by reference and​

available on Our website at rivian.com/legal/privacy and rivian.com/legal/terms. Please read Our Data​

Privacy Notice and Rivian Terms carefully to understand the data that We collect and Our practices​

regarding Your information and how it will be treated. If You have questions regarding Our Data Privacy​

Notice or Rivian Terms, You should contact us by email at [email protected].​

 

[Roger.Joys]

This is awesome! Like others, I am hesitant about the explicit shared credentials. I'd sign up in a heartbeat if I could directly obtain a Rivian API token and just provide that to ElectraFi.

Call me paranoid, but too many years in tech.

 

[mkennedy1996]

This is awesome! Like others, I am hesitant about the explicit shared credentials. I'd sign up in a heartbeat if I could directly obtain a Rivian API token and just provide that to ElectraFi.

Call me paranoid, but too many years in tech.

For Tesla, you can generate your own token and that may be possible with Rivian as well.

They do note that they (Teslafi) use your credentials to generate a token and then discard them:

TeslaFi obtains the data from your vehicle from the Tesla API (Application Program Interface). In order to connect to the API TeslaFi uses a token generated from your Tesla.com login credentials. Each time TeslaFi requests data from your vehicle it authorizes with this token instead of your credentials.

You can provide TeslaFi with your API token in one of two ways.

1. Enter your Tesla.com credentials and TeslaFi will use them to obtain a token on your behalf. Your credentials will be used once to obtain the token and then the credentials will be discarded. 99% of TeslaFi users use this option.
2. Advanced users can generate a token themselves and provide it to TeslaFi in order to authenticate with the API. This method requires some programming knowledge and more info can be found here – http://docs.timdorr.apiary.io/#reference/authentication/tokens/get-an-access-token

 

[dgennetten]

They connect to the Rivian api of the car and log the data being sent between the car and Rivian. With that data, they have reports that show all kinds of data on driving, charging, idle vampire loss etc.

I have learned alot using this over the years.

Where do I find access to the rivian API? I want to bring charging data to my watch faces.

 

[dgennetten]

Where do I find access to the rivian API? I want to bring charging data to my watch faces.

https://rivian-api.kaedenb.org/

 

[JGard18]

I feel like a dummy, but I cannot figure out where to add another driver now. I had done it when I got my truck, but in the new app I can't find that option anywhere. And of course, when I go do it from my truck, it tells me I have to do it from the app...

 

[abinesh81]

We can get similar type of data for free if you're using homeasssitant (Opensource). https://github.com/bretterer/home-assistant-rivian, I am sharing this for of FYI and it might not be for everyone.

 

[Jiji]

For Tesla, you can generate your own token and that may be possible with Rivian as well.

They do note that they (Teslafi) use your credentials to generate a token and then discard them:

The way it works for the Rivian API you need account credentials (email/password) and it generates a "token". I save this "token" and the login credentials are discarded.

What is unknown, at least to me, is how long this "token" is valid. Were Rivian to revoke it you would need the login credentials again to generate a new one. For an iOS app this no big deal since you likely have them stored in the Passwords on your device and they fill in the login fields but I would think ElectrraFi might need to hold on to the login credentials should they find they are locked out of the Rivian API and need to generate a new "token". If they don't keep them then I suppose they could send an email so you can re-enter the credentials and generate a new "token"

 

[Jiji]

I believe they have the data to do the battery degradation report. Here is the data from electrFi for my first charge for the R1S as it shows in the battery report.

The problem is that the Rivian API does not report battery health (SoH) like Tesla does. Trying to derive it from the range at a specific state of charge (SoC) is complicated since Rivian reports the range in the vehicle based on your drive mode and tires (note to self to check the API to see if it changes with drive mode).

The lack of solid data means you just have to synthesize data with unknown errors, for example, there is no energy used (needed for efficiency) so you have to estimate it from the delta SoC. It seems logical but in practice it is only a ballpark value. The re efficiency can be computed since a charge reports the energy added and you know the distance since the previous charge, but this is the average over a longer period and doesn't help with the efficiency of a specific trip.

 

[mkennedy1996]

I feel like a dummy, but I cannot figure out where to add another driver now. I had done it when I got my truck, but in the new app I can't find that option anywhere. And of course, when I go do it from my truck, it tells me I have to do it from the app...

Security and access and then drivers and then invite a driver

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