MAX PACK Dual Motor Performance is delivering!

[chicagoair]

Excited to see how they badge it.

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[Epicloop]

If you use the data on the EPA site, it looks like the max pack is 175 kWh. A year or more ago, Rivian was saying the max pack would be 180 kWh. But at 175 kWh, the estimated range for the max pack sense when using the large pack EPA figures.

43 kWh/100 miles = 2.32 mi/kWh
352 miles of range / 2.32 = 152 kWh
410 miles of range / 2.32 = 177 kWh

Or another way
78 MPGe x 150 kWh / 33.7 kWh = 347 miles of range
78 MPGe x 175 kWh / 33.7 kWh = 405 miles of range

Seems like 175 kWh usable pack to me. I am super excited to see if this plays out in real world testing. But using EPA figures:
74 MPGe x 175 kWh / 33.7 kWh = 384 miles of range on the highway.

I expect at 80 mph, we won't see 384 miles of range. Maybe 350?

Looks like you are basing your calculations off the 135kwh dual motor Large pack which gets 352 miles of range.

 

[mkhuffman]

Looks like you are basing your calculations off the 135kwh dual motor Large pack which gets 352 miles of range.

Hmmm.

Thats true. Using 135 kWh the EPA numbers don't make sense.

Now that you mention it 135 kWh has been what we have been told for some time. It is frustrating the EPA numbers don't validate that capacity. I got all excited for nothing.

 

[Dark-Fx]

If you use the data on the EPA site, it looks like the max pack is 175 kWh. A year or more ago, Rivian was saying the max pack would be 180 kWh. But at 175 kWh, the estimated range for the max pack sense when using the large pack EPA figures.

Those kWh/100mi figures always include charging losses. It's confusing because you can't math actual capacity out of it since the charging losses aren't in this data.

 

[jjswan33]

Hmmm.

Thats true. Using 135 kWh the EPA numbers don't make sense.

Now that you mention it 135 kWh has been what we have been told for some time. It is frustrating the EPA numbers don't validate that capacity. I got all excited for nothing.

It more like 128kWh usable.

 

[Wentworth]

Also on FB, someone reported that there are several DM Max Packs in the R1 Shop.

Fascinating. None in mine, and I just double checked.

 

[vandy1981]

heh just came here to mention it...

Did they add a filter for the Max Battery Pack in the Shop?

Max Pack deliveries and the rapid Magic Dock rollout are making me very happy.

 

[Ironcitijc]

I really hope this is true but I would have expected Rivian to provide more details about the max pack other than to just say it’s more energy dense before it actually gets released. Regardless, I hope it’s true and my December 2023 estimated delivery date is a legit possibility.

 

[vandy1981]

Fascinating. None in mine, and I just double checked.

Same here. Only one DM Large Pack available.

 

[SeaGeo]

I really hope this is true but I would have expected Rivian to provide more details about the max pack other than to just say it’s more energy dense before it actually gets released. Regardless, I hope it’s true and my December 2023 estimated delivery date is a legit possibility.

I think that's because that's all there is to it.

It would be nice to have them get it in someones hands to do some testing (say a 70mph loop range test) that's more or less repeatable to help give people some real-world context.

 

[AYAYRON]

Some dude on social media said his max pack is available for pickup next week. Pretty exciting stuff!


It was Feb. 2019


I asked him. He has a Oct/Nov window. He lives in Wisconsin so that could have an impact.

Can't believe he paid $10k for 50 miles of range theoretical which will probably be 30 miles real world range, I mean I really can't believe anyone finds $10k worth of value in that the return on investment feels very lopsided.

 

[elfordon]

Can't believe he paid $10k for 50 miles of range theoretical which will probably be 30 miles real world range, I mean I really can't believe anyone finds $10k worth of value in that the return on investment feels very lopsided.

It’s $7,000 over the cost of the dual motor for pre-Mar 2022 order holders. But we try not to think about that and instead focus on those 50 miles. ?

 

[AYAYRON]

It’s $7,000 over the cost of the dual motor for pre-Mar 2022 order holders. But we try not to think about that and instead focus on those 50 miles. ?

that's ever so slightly less crazy...lol

But being that quad motor large pack starts at I think 330 miles (conserve mode) of range for me personally and I often drive a 400 mile route, I will get 225 min miles and 280 max miles on this trip which I have done around 10 times in the past year, that means the 50 miles extra range with my real world outcomes = minimum 33 miles max 42 miles extra range is what most drivers will experience.

 

[Ripped]

It's cool if they are indeed delivering, and I'll be interested to get real-world feedback from Rivian owners.
Any battery issues, charging and actual range numbers.

I'm sure the first few range numbers will be warm and fuzzy and a little embellished, but after a month or so Should be getting some accurate numbers, enough to weigh cost vs benefit.

 

[jjswan33]

that's ever so slightly less crazy...lol

But being that quad motor large pack starts at I think 330 miles (conserve mode) of range for me personally and I often drive a 400 mile route, I will get 225 min miles and 280 max miles on this trip which I have done around 10 times in the past year, that means the 50 miles extra range with my real world outcomes = minimum 33 miles max 42 miles extra range is what most drivers will experience.

I mean I hear you. For a new customer it is a $10k upcharge, at least as currently advertised.

So to go from 352 miles to 410 equates to a 16.5% increase in range, which should be mostly independent of driving style, tires, configuration etc.

To me it's like the analogy of sporting goods (for example, climbing, cycling, skiing, etc). When you go from Steel to Aluminum to Carbon to save ever diminishing amounts of weights for exponentially higher cost. This happens for 2 reasons, people want the best, lightest, longest range version of everything to say "look at my shiny new thing" or enabling them to accomplish things that would not otherwise be possible. Cost is not high on the list of factors for these people.

So again I agree that $10k is a lot of coin but I am still considering it because 16.5% more range could enable me to do things that would otherwise not be possible with my large pack. That said I still don't have enough information about what is being offered for that premium.

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