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I don't appreciate it being GPS locked. Bad drivers will be bad drivers, but it would drive me crazy not being able to use the tank turn on my own property, or turn off stability control, or whatever, due to some predefined arbitrary geo fence.

Just a warning that pops up every time you enable it should be fine. If some idiot wants to do donuts on a glacier, how is it any different using the tank turn, they will cause damage either way.
What if I want to tank turn on a road that’s covered in snow? Probably won’t allow it since that road is typically just asphalt. It would be nice to be given the choice.

Between this “feature” and the driver+ insurance thing, I’m getting worried may be a bit of a nanny. Also worried about all this data collection and privacy.
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I hope the people on this thread that are worried about privacy use VPNs, tape over their webcams and basically don’t allow the majority of the functions on their phones and tablets.

On the insurance topic I am a bit worried about them monitoring all of our activity (speed) and hiking up our premiums and such.
 

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man, that Canyon Red looks good in these vids. I'm currently Launch Green, and will likely stay that way, but they nailed so many of these colors. I don't like red cars, but that truck looks great!
 

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I hope the people on this thread that are worried about privacy use VPNs, tape over their webcams and basically don’t allow the majority of the functions on their phones and tablets.
Not sure I agree with the “majority of functions” part of your post, but I definitely have tape over my webcams and do use VPNs.

The point is I should have control/choice over my data. If I choose to share something with someone does NOT mean I waive my right to all data or all vendors.

One of my primary “issues” with Android is Googles abysmal track record with privacy.
 

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I hope the people on this thread that are worried about privacy use VPNs, tape over their webcams and basically don’t allow the majority of the functions on their phones and tablets.

On the insurance topic I am a bit worried about them monitoring all of our activity (speed) and hiking up our premiums and such.
If someone is using a VPN I hope they are very comfortable with the VPN provider.
 

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I hope the people on this thread that are worried about privacy use VPNs, tape over their webcams and basically don’t allow the majority of the functions on their phones and tablets.

On the insurance topic I am a bit worried about them monitoring all of our activity (speed) and hiking up our premiums and such.
My concern as far as privacy is how and where the data is stored, and which other parties outside rivian it is shared with.
Furthermore, it would be good to be able to opt out of sharing telemetry 24/7.
 

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Not sure I agree with the “majority of functions” part of your post, but I definitely have tape over my webcams and do use VPNs.

The point is I should have control/choice over my data. If I choose to share something with someone does NOT mean I waive my right to all data or all vendors.

One of my primary “issues” with Android is Googles abysmal track record with privacy.
Camera and microphone access, gps, cellular activity all open you up to privacy issues. These are also pretty essential if you want to use a smartphone for what its meant. Rivian is pretty closely tied with Amazon. If people are really concerned with privacy, they should go in with their eyes wide open and be cautious here.
 

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My concern as far as privacy is how and where the data is stored, and which other parties outside rivian it is shared with.
Furthermore, it would be good to be able to opt out of sharing telemetry 24/7.
I doubt any of your concerns will be addressed in this regard. Just my guess. I'm not fretting because I feel that information is already going out there continuously with our smart devices. Although, I am happy to see Apple addressing this as of late. Its a start
 

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I doubt any of your concerns will be addressed in this regard. Just my guess. I'm not fretting because I feel that information is already going out there continuously with our smart devices. Although, I am happy to see Apple addressing this as of late. Its a start
I can turn off all of the location stuff in my iPhone if I want. I want to know if I can do this in the R1.

I would be less concerned if I knew they had to comply with PIPEDA(Canadian privscy laws). Or even California privacy laws, which are more robust than the US federal rules.
 

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I can turn off all of the location stuff in my iPhone if I want. I want to know if I can do this in the R1.

I would be less concerned if I knew they had to comply with PIPEDA(Canadian privscy laws). Or even California privacy laws, which are more robust than the US federal rules.
on a related topic. it seems the location data they would be gathering may also help them with their driver+ and autonomous driving features in the future. maybe you wouldn't even be able to use it if you opted out?? the fact they can see every touchscreen interaction is crazy in its own right, yet it will be very important for them in improving the UI
 
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What if I want to tank turn on a road that’s covered in snow? Probably won’t allow it since that road is typically just asphalt. It would be nice to be given the choice.

Between this “feature” and the driver+ insurance thing, I’m getting worried may be a bit of a nanny. Also worried about all this data collection and privacy.
From my take, the tank-turn was always intended to be used off-road, just as in the videos. The federal highway safety folks and other safety regulators don't want that type of maneuver possibly taking place on a public roadway. It's dangerous for many reasons, least of which is people aren't used to witnessing that type of movement in another vehicle, and they may react in a way that may causes an accident, both inside the car and with other objects or vehicles.

I'm not a fan of being monitored in most situations (I do like that On-Star can tell if I've been involved in an accident and can summon the help that may save my life). But, for this cool option, if that monitoring is only to determine I'm not on pavement, then so be it.

Keep in mind the huge amount of torque and stress this kind of opposable force causes on the motors and other parts when working against each other on a sticky surface like asphalt. All of these parts are warranted by the company. I think it makes sense that they limit our ablilty to thrash these components.

I still can't wait to take my fearless cousin for a "spin" in his field after harvest is done. I think I can get him to sound like the Pirelli Sisters' long lost cousin. I hope they Forest Edge pee-pads so he doesn't suspect what's about to happen.
 

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The issue I foresee is that the Rivian is unlikely to be able to provide enough power to handle the load from the entire house. It's more likely that you'll have to choose a few circuits that can transfer (lights, refrigerator -- things like that) but you may not be able to transfer over an electric water heater or central air conditioner.

That means you can't just install a basic transfer switch, but instead need one that also includes a mini load-center. The circuits you want to be transferred will have to be moved from your main load center (electrical panel) and into the new "transfer" panel. When the transfer switch is activated, only those circuits will be powered by the vehicle.

So there is definitely some added cost for the extra load center and wiring -- but the bigger cost is the labor, unless you are comfortable doing that sort of work yourself.

My parents ran into this conundrum when they purchased a whole-home LP generator for their rural home. They could step up to a larger generator and run the whole home and have a more simple and less expensive installation, or they could use a smaller generator to run only part of the home, but the installation was more expensive.

It's definitely possible... Just saying it will cost more.
Long story short… same as a generator.
The thought Rivian puts into the decisions regarding execution are quite extraordinary. Witness the conversation about the Tank-turn. Much technical thought has to go into it, but so do the ethical and safety concerns. Rivian doesn't do anything without really exploring all aspects of that move. That's one of the many reasons I love this company so much.

I thought that was interesting. I'm not sure how I feel about it. On one hand it seems practical Rivian is trying to be sensitive but on the other granting selective permission is a disturbing nannying of their customers. What else will Rivian feel need to police? It's a can o' worms...
Yet I read that and any delay as , “ We are trying to make an awesome product. We are committed to deliver that and any other fun stuff OTA Over The Air.”
 

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From my take, the tank-turn was always intended to be used off-road, just as in the videos. The federal highway safety folks and other safety regulators don't want that type of maneuver possibly taking place on a public roadway. It's dangerous for many reasons, least of which is people aren't used to witnessing that type of movement in another vehicle, and they may react in a way that may causes an accident, both inside the car and with other objects or vehicles...
It's really just a fancy doughnut turn and if done in inappropriate places should be treated the same by the popo. I hope they don't limit it at all other than needing to put it into the "mode".
 

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It's really just a fancy doughnut turn and if done in inappropriate places should be treated the same by the popo. I hope they don't limit it at all other than needing to put it into the "mode".
I'm sure the police will be thrilled to observe the maneuver, marvel at it, maybe video it, and even talk to you about the fun you're having, all before citing you for it. I'm guessing it still creates more stress on mechanical parts and tires than having both or all four tires being thrust in the same direction.

I think if Rivian felt it was the same as a donut, they would restrict Drift Mode the same way. Sliding sideways with all four tires while working in the same direction is tough on the tires, but having wheels going in opposite directions is a different ballgame altogether

I'll leave that to the engineers out there to weigh in, buy I think the engineers at Rivian felt it best to not let these things rip on dry pavement.

Sure looking forward to doing some free lawn work for my cousin....
 

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Keep in mind the huge amount of torque and stress this kind of opposable force causes on the motors and other parts when working against each other on a sticky surface like asphalt. All of these parts are warranted by the company. I think it makes sense that they limit our ablilty to thrash these components.
I agree. I would also assume that when you "request" tank turn mode, Rivian will do two related safeguards in software:
1) monitor applied power, wheel slippage, etc. to prevent damage if you are on a hard surface.
2) Log all of the tank turn data, video, etc. for forensics and warranty determination if there is a warranty claim for unusual damage.
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