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Only true of the front doors. Rear door has the manual release under the panel behind the carveout behind the button.

Cost savings here was switching to electronic child locks. Which are sort of an upgrade over manual locks? Hiding the release was to make the electronic child locks effective.
Aren't people at all concerned with the reliability of the electronic door releases in the event of an emergency and low voltage failure? I'd hate to be in that 3rd row and have to get everyone out thru the front doors in a fire type emergency and the only doors with an accessible release are the front 2. Maybe I am missing something?
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Aren't people at all concerned with the reliability of the electronic door releases in the event of an emergency and low voltage failure? I'd hate to be in that 3rd row and have to get everyone out thru the front doors in a fire type emergency and the only doors with an accessible release are the front 2. Maybe I am missing something?
Manual in second row are hidden behind a panel per @Dark-Fx : https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/biggest-downgrade-for-gen2-r1.28941/post-555632
 
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Aren't people at all concerned with the reliability of the electronic door releases in the event of an emergency and low voltage failure? I'd hate to be in that 3rd row and have to get everyone out thru the front doors in a fire type emergency and the only doors with an accessible release are the front 2. Maybe I am missing something?
If my kids are in the back seats, they can't get themselves unbuckled, so for me, currently a moot point.

The panel probably comes off easy enough to expose the cable if you've got anyone older. Always good to teach your kids or passengers what to do in an emergency if it requires anything out of the ordinary.

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If my kids are in the back seats, they can't get themselves unbuckled, so for me, currently a moot point.

The panel probably comes off easy enough to expose the cable if you've got anyone older. Always good to teach your kids or passengers what to do in an emergency if it requires anything out of the ordinary.

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Even I ride in far back of vehicles at times and the exit strategy goes thru my mind. Not wanting to execute that sequence in a high stress situation of a fire or upside down, etc...
 

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The foglight removal is a bit of a miss. I understand they stated they can achieve similar or better results from their new Active lighting system, but I question that a bit.

No A/B pillar grab handles... Big Miss, but not a removal from R1, just a hopeful inclusion that was left out.

I don't consider the removal of some of the frunk under storage a miss because the trade off is the inclusion of a heat pump, and it had to go somewhere.

I'm curious if the new premium system isn't just the current Rivian Elevation system, and the standard one is just a walked back standard offering similar to the early days standard trim (can't remember the naming).

Now, two things that while they sorta make sense, also are a bit of a "huh?"

- DRL charge status. This was always a bit of a thing where the light bar would progressively fill as the charge level increased. Then at launch they chose to do a pulsing effect. The front DRL at least can progressively expand from the center out as you approach, can the rear subset one do the same? Also, does anyone know if the front and rear are RGBW or just GW and RW?

- Driver+ While I rarely use it even on long trips, the hardware was always touted as level 3 capable, but then has been walked back as time has gone by. I assume this is similar to tesla where FSD is harder than anyone expects, but there has to be a way to have a more efficient code that can run on both rather than just brute forcing it with faster chips? Camera resolution limitations make sense, but you'd think the placement of them would have been at least scrutinized in the years lead up to production to be in the most ideal locations. Love the cameras, but hate the potato quality :(
Potato quality is being generous to describe the camera quality. Must've been the same geniuses that picked out the wireless charging pad too. I think they're really going to struggle selling these to new people unless it's a lease. I would assume a large amount of Gen 1 owners won't switch given the depreciation our vehicles even with early pricing/tax credit.
 

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There getting a lot of criticism over the large battery pack’s reduction in size. Some speculate it’s because they wanted a larger gap between the large and the max. Previously it wasn’t worth upgrading to the max for only 10kWh more. Now it’s like 30kWh.
 

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Worse ground clearance
Significantly Worse water fording capabilities
Smaller frunk
Smaller trunk (R1S)
Smaller gear tunnel
Significant degrade in towing capacity on dual motor


Basically it's like the Porsche Cayenne. Early models were proper utility and off-road machines.

Overtime cut cost and capabilities to improve margins and cater to the mall crawler pavement princess upscale market they were targeting..
 

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I'm curious why they did not go ahead and switch to NACS at this point since the writing is on the wall already.
I’m starting to wonder if that’s true given Elmo’s bruised ego and shenanigans. It wouldn’t surprise me if he tried to slow down or reverse availability of charging to 3Ps. Would that in turn slow down wider adoption?
 

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Worse ground clearance
Significantly Worse water fording capabilities
Smaller frunk
Smaller trunk (R1S)
Smaller gear tunnel
Significant degrade in towing capacity on dual motor


Basically it's like the Porsche Cayenne. Early models were proper utility and off-road machines.

Overtime cut cost and capabilities to improve margins and cater to the mall crawler pavement princess upscale market they were targeting..
Ground Clearance: Gen 1 R1T/R1S = 14.9 inches, Gen 2 R1T = 14.6 inches, Gen 2 R1S = 14.7 inches
https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-maximum-ground-clearance

Water fording: I see no documentation that states water fording is worse. I'm guessing you're basing this off of the change in ground clearance? How would it be significantly worse then?
https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-water-fording-height

Smaller Frunk: Agreed this is well documented (same frunk on both R1T and R1S).
https://rivian.com/support/article/what-s-the-storage-capacity-in-the-front-trunk

Smaller gear tunnel: Gen 1 R1T = 11.7 cu ft, Gen 2 R1T = 11.4 cu ft. So yes smaller, but not massively so. https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-storage-volume-of-the-gear-tunnel-in-the-r1t

Towing capacity: The only change in towing capacity is with the standard pack on the Gen 2 R1T. All else remains the same. So yes a change, but if you're serious about towing you likely won't be buying a standard pack. https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-maximum-towing-capacity

Changes have been made, but these vehicles will still be incredibly capable offroad.
 

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does anyone know why the ground clearance is slightly less?
They reworked the suspension for Gen 2, so I'm thinking that whatever the changes were resulted in less overall achieved height.
 

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They reworked the suspension for Gen 2, so I'm thinking that whatever the changes were resulted in less overall achieved height.
ahh that makes sense. Sometimes i wish they would play the numbers game and try to compete with the CT’s 17 inches or so of clearance.
 
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Worse ground clearance
Significantly Worse water fording capabilities
Approach angle actually went up slightly. My ground clearance is technically slightly less than stock because I'm running rock sliders anyhow.

R1T still says 43.1" water fording. I'm definitely curious why the R1S went from 43.0" to 39.4" when the R1T hasn't changed. I'm fairly sure the original numbers have bounced around a little, the 39.4" could be just old information getting copied over.

Significant degrade in towing capacity on dual motor
I hadn't seen the towing reduction for dual+standard R1T before, thanks for pointing it out. Every other vehicle+battery combo looks to have retained capability.

https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-maximum-towing-capacity

R1S was changed from a Class IV to Class V hitch, so has the higher tongue load now- Unless this was a copy/paste mistake from the R1T, which wouldn't surprise me.

Smaller frunk
Smaller trunk (R1S)
Smaller gear tunnel
Necessary evil, making room for the heat pump stuff up front and the larger quad drive units front and back. Probably also the reason the ground clearances have changed slightly? R1S with base audio has an additional storage pocket in the rear. I do understand why people would be disappointed though.
 
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Ground Clearance: Gen 1 R1T/R1S = 14.9 inches, Gen 2 R1T = 14.6 inches, Gen 2 R1S = 14.7 inches
https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-maximum-ground-clearance

Water fording: I see no documentation that states water fording is worse. I'm guessing you're basing this off of the change in ground clearance? How would it be significantly worse then?
https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-water-fording-height

Smaller Frunk: Agreed this is well documented (same frunk on both R1T and R1S).
https://rivian.com/support/article/what-s-the-storage-capacity-in-the-front-trunk

Smaller gear tunnel: Gen 1 R1T = 11.7 cu ft, Gen 2 R1T = 11.4 cu ft. So yes smaller, but not massively so. https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-storage-volume-of-the-gear-tunnel-in-the-r1t

Towing capacity: The only change in towing capacity is with the standard pack on the Gen 2 R1T. All else remains the same. So yes a change, but if you're serious about towing you likely won't be buying a standard pack. https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-maximum-towing-capacity

Changes have been made, but these vehicles will still be incredibly capable offroad.
Water fording is down from 43.1 to 39"

As for towing, it depends on your use case really..
if you tow your boat to nearby lake you don't need a ton of range, but you do need capacity.

For long distance towing, it is the aerodynamic profile that has a huge impact on the range more than just the weight.

so now it's a $10,000 upgrade. if you want the 11,000lb towing capacity, vs standard across the board. (I wonder if its a limitation of the LFP chemistry?)
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