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[Riv_Ian]

Maybe someone was projecting a Roadrunner scene onto the top of the semi

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[captainjp]

Have no clue if this was driver error or FSD but clearly that is a Tesla that drove into the top of a flipped semi on I95 south in New Haven CT last night. Someone/thing clearly could not see the wall in front of them.

Who else is waiting for the retort from @pamalabama on this one. “Blah blah blah HW3. Blah blah blah Autopilot, not FSD. Blah blah blah HW4.” lol

 

[pamalabama]

Who else is waiting for the retort from @pamalabama on this one. “Blah blah blah HW3. Blah blah blah Autopilot, not FSD. Blah blah blah HW4.” lol

Cameras don't see very far at night. Some amount of this will always happen regardless of radar or not

If you look at FSD they currently dodge stationary vehicles more than seeing them from a far distance away

If you look at the side view, the car is barely damaged, meaning the collision was at low speed

 

[godfodder0901]

Cameras don't see very far at night. Some amount of this will always happen regardless of radar or not

If you look at FSD they currently dodge stationary vehicles more than seeing them from a far distance away

If you look at the side view, the car is barely damaged, meaning the collision was at low speed

Collision being the principal word there...

Guess old Mark Rober was right.

 

[captainjp]

Cameras don't see very far at night. Some amount of this will always happen regardless of radar or not

If you look at FSD they currently dodge stationary vehicles more than seeing them from a far distance away

If you look at the side view, the car is barely damaged, meaning the collision was at low speed

The car isn’t damaged because trailers like this are extremely thin.

 

[pamalabama]

The car isn’t damaged because trailers like this are extremely thin.

it doesn't matter. Emergency braking, i.e. slamming on the brakes at full is not something 90% of cars would do at 70mph to prevent an accident since it would happen last minute

If you look at this accident the truck stretches across the entire road so there is nowhere for the car to go.

Look at FSD and they dodge accidents pretty well

 

[pamalabama]

Collision being the principal word there...

Guess old Mark Rober was right.

braking distance at 70mph is about 315 feet according to google if you account for reaction time

Low beams only illuminate about 200 feet so the average human is colliding with said truck

FSD (which was probably not in use here) seems to see pretty damn far compared to human vision in reduced visibility. But maybe not far enough and with high enough certainty to warrant slamming on the brakes at full to prevent a collision

Most radar AEB systems would not react until very last minute so there is guaranteed to be a collision

Tesla FSD dodges accidents very well but you can't dodge a semi that covers up the entire road including shoulder



in the case of the mark rober test, FSD can clearly see the fake wall at 50mph

 

[captainjp]

braking distance at 70mph is about 315 feet according to google if you account for reaction time

Low beams only illuminate about 200 feet so the average human is colliding with said truck

FSD (which was probably not in use here) seems to see pretty damn far compared to human vision in reduced visibility. But maybe not far enough and with high enough certainty to warrant slamming on the brakes at full to prevent a collision

Most radar AEB systems would not react until very last minute so there is guaranteed to be a collision

Tesla FSD dodges accidents very well but you can't dodge a semi that covers up the entire road including shoulder



in the case of the mark rober test, FSD can clearly see the fake wall at 50mph

It doesn’t need to dodge it, it just needs to stop. I’m pretty sure my eyes would have detected that target considering the circumstances. Notice how there aren’t any other vehicles lodged into the top of the trailer

 

[pamalabama]

It doesn’t need to dodge it, it just needs to stop. I’m pretty sure my eyes would have detected that target considering the circumstances. Notice how there aren’t any other vehicles lodged into the top of the trailer

Because it only takes 1 for it not to happen again. With all of the cars and lights around.

Low beams only illuminate 200 feet. If you have a car with matrix headlights (which tesla is enabling with the spring update) then pretty much all Teslas running FSD will be able to see further than 500 feet at night

This was at 2:45 AM so not a lot of cars out at all

 

[captainjp]

Because it only takes 1 for it not to happen again. With all of the cars and lights around.

Low beams only illuminate 200 feet. If you have a car with matrix headlights (which tesla is enabling with the spring update) then pretty much all Teslas running FSD will be able to see further than 500 feet at night

This was at 2:45 AM so not a lot of cars out at all

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[pamalabama]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's classic overconfidence.

I have never seen a stopped vehicle blocking the road with no cars or lights around. It doesn't happen unless you're driving at 3am which for many people is a rare event.

If you have lidar you can see this event from far away, but the argument is that vision provides the safety or better than a human, while not having the same safety as a lidar system which can brake much more slowly for an event like this

 

[captainjp]

It's classic overconfidence.

I have never seen a stopped vehicle blocking the road with no cars or lights around. It doesn't happen unless you're driving at 3am which for many people is a rare event.

If you have lidar you can see this event from far away, but the argument is that vision provides the safety or better than a human, while not having the same safety as a lidar system which can brake much more slowly for an event like this

The road is lighted

 

[SANZC02]

it doesn't matter. Emergency braking, i.e. slamming on the brakes at full is not something 90% of cars would do at 70mph to prevent an accident since it would happen last minute

If you look at this accident the truck stretches across the entire road so there is nowhere for the car to go.

Look at FSD and they dodge accidents pretty well

Interesting that the Tesla was the only vehicle that hit the trailer.

My buddy sent me the picture last night, he was stuck on the freeway for 4 hours. He said there were a lot more cars on the road at the time and they all managed to avoid the contact.

As I originally stated I do not know if they were using FSD or not. If you have ever been behind a semi that flips, I’ve seen it twice in high winds in the California desert, there is a lot of time that a human eye can see things starting to happen to react to it and start slowing down well before it actually flips.

 

[pamalabama]

Interesting that the Tesla was the only vehicle that hit the trailer.

My buddy sent me the picture last night, he was stuck on the freeway for 4 hours. He said there were a lot more cars on the road at the time and they all managed to avoid the contact.

As I originally stated I do not know if they were using FSD or not. If you have ever been behind a semi that flips, I’ve seen it twice in high winds in the California desert, there is a lot of time that a human eye can see things starting to happen to react to it and start slowing down well before it actually flips.

If you look at the picture there were 2 vehicles. One more damaged than the tesla based on side profile but not sure from what

There are a lot of teslas on the road

 

[SANZC02]

If you look at the picture there were 2 vehicles. One more damaged than the tesla based on side profile but not sure from what

There are a lot of teslas on the road

I’m not sure what picture you are referring to? Are you talking about the one from my post? If so there is no damage on that white Terrain, they are just waiting for the road to clear.

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