Reminder: Rivian Promised Level 3 "Eyes Off the Road" Autonomy on Gen 1

[pamalabama]

I’m not sure what picture you are referring to? Are you talking about the one from my post? If so there is no damage on that white Terrain, they are just waiting for the road to clear.

no. I found the video on facebook of that accident. The car to the right is damaged worse than the tesla

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[KW_88_SS]

In terms of class action this is a tricky problem. Tesla actually delivered with the FSD product more than was advertised. What people paid for is more than what tesla delivered.

The only thing is in 2018 for a very small amount of time, they sold a product which promised effectively level 5 autonomy. The amount of people who purchased that product and still have their car/not upgraded to HW4 is probably very low at this point.

I think that's the key distinction and what you might not be getting.

Tesla delivered on their claims, Rivian has explicitly said they are not going to deliver. It's not the same. Tesla swapped hardware, Rivian, with all the other changes, is unable to do so.

 

[captainjp]

Interesting that the Tesla was the only vehicle that hit the trailer.

My buddy sent me the picture last night, he was stuck on the freeway for 4 hours. He said there were a lot more cars on the road at the time and they all managed to avoid the contact.

As I originally stated I do not know if they were using FSD or not. If you have ever been behind a semi that flips, I’ve seen it twice in high winds in the California desert, there is a lot of time that a human eye can see things starting to happen to react to it and start slowing down well before it actually flips.

Which brings me back to why humans are better equipped at anticipation, looking and thinking ahead. FSD is not able to hear the wind, notice the unsteady tractor trailer up ahead, and take mitigating actions based on critical thinking. We’re not there yet. Sorry.

 

[captainjp]

I think that's the key distinction and what you might not be getting.

Tesla delivered on their claims, Rivian has explicitly said they are not going to deliver. It's not the same. Tesla swapped hardware, Rivian, with all the other changes, is unable to do so.

Still wasn’t enough to avoid this accident.
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[KW_88_SS]

Which brings me back to why humans are better equipped at anticipation, looking and thinking ahead. FSD is not able to hear the wind, notice the unsteady tractor trailer up ahead, and take mitigating actions based on critical thinking. We’re not there yet. Sorry.

The underlying technology exists, but the current versions of FSD simply aren’t there yet. They aren’t economical enough to serve as a consumer-ready solution—and that’s kind of expected.

Still wasn’t enough to avoid this accident.
oopsie

That’s not the central issue here. The concern goes beyond whether the system can meet consumer expectations—it’s about accountability. Rivian initially marketed their vehicle with level 3 autonomy promises only to later backtrack with a “sorry, not going to happen” stance. This shift not unfairly impacts owners who now face depreciated resale values based on misleading promises.

 

[captainjp]

The underlying technology exists, but the current versions of FSD simply aren’t there yet. They aren’t economical enough to serve as a consumer-ready solution—and that’s kind of expected.

Really? Who’s spearheading this advance? Can this prediction model detect a driver that’s possibly impaired 1/4 mile away? I know that if I suspect it, I stay well clear of said driver.

 

[pamalabama]

Still wasn’t enough to avoid this accident.
oopsie

You don't know this was driver assistance. Firstly, only about 10% of tesla vehicles even run FSD.

Autopilot and FSD are not the same thing. People also have this ridiculously incorrect notion of what they think autopilot systems really do.

 

[JM.]

People also have this ridiculously incorrect notion of what they think autopilot systems really do.

Dispelling EV myths in the general population is a full time job. Sadly, dispelling ADAS/AP/FSD myths in the EV population is even worse.

 

[KW_88_SS]

Really? Who’s spearheading this advance? Can this prediction model detect a driver that’s possibly impaired 1/4 mile away? I know that if I suspect it, I stay well clear of said driver.

It's not about the models—it’s the hardware that's the problem. The models aren't worth the Charmin I wipe my ass with if the data being fed in is junk(this is where the hardware is the limiting factor).

High-end LiDAR from companies like Velodyne, or even newer options from Luminar and Innoviz. LiDAR comes in different tiers, with some units costing tens of thousands of dollars each vs the cheaper stuff we see at the consumer level. Then there are experimental sensor fusion techniques that need top-notch computing power, and even the NVIDIA DRIVE series is still pretty pricey. All of that makes them a tough sell for everyday consumer cars when the manufacture has to balance profitability.

 

[Riv_Ian]

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/...ange-yearlong-review-full-self-driving-danger

 

[captainjp]

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/...ange-yearlong-review-full-self-driving-danger

Doesn’t matter. The sycophants will deny deny deny

 

[Blackhatch]

Gen1 R1T here...any reason that it's not working any longer?

Did they turn it off? Paid for service?

2022 truck.

 

[godfodder0901]

Gen1 R1T here...any reason that it's not working any longer?

Did they turn it off? Paid for service?

2022 truck.

What, specifically, isn't working?

Highway Assist is not a paid service, it just sucks.

 

[ForeverWild]

They could make good on their original promises and upgrade Gen 1 vehicles to Gen 2 ADAS hardware like Tesla did. I mean, that would be the right thing to do. Not just say "oh well, tough luck..."

I can’t believe that fascist honors what he says.

 

[CTRedCanyon]

I can’t believe that fascist honors what he says.

What fascist? Your programming is complete

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