$2500 Autonomy+ one time purchase now an option on Rivian configurator

[hammick]

I hate phantom braking. This is why I want dumb cruise control, especially when I am not on the freeway. I am surprised to hear that it's still a problem in G2. I guess it will need

I hate phantom braking on G1. This is why I want dumb cruise control, especially when I am not on the freeway. I am surprised to hear that it's still a problem in G2. I guess it will need the lidar.

Haven't had any phantom braking since we dumped our muskrat mobile. It was so bad I had to drive across KS with no cruise control. Ioniq 5, Lightning, Rivian and Sierra EV no phantom braking.

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[Gen(R3)Xer]

Doesn't apply to my Gen 1, but I honestly don't get the business logic on this.

Assuming a 15% take rate (similar to Tesla) $50/mo * ~200k annual vehicle sales * 15% = $18M revenue stream per year of vehicle sales. Apply vehicle sales growth and the longevity of vehicles and it grows to a revenue stream in the low hundreds of millions in a decade.

Rivian already has $5B in revenue. Once Normal scales, they'll have maybe $12B in revenue (~200k annual sales at a $60k ASP across all vehicles / trims).

Autonomy involves a multi-billion dollar software investment effort, on top of putting a couple hundred dollars worth of sensors in every vehicle sold, even if they're not paying for autonomy. I don't get how this maths.

I think it might have something to do with generating stock valuations.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I hate phantom braking on G1. This is why I want dumb cruise control, especially when I am not on the freeway. I am surprised to hear that it's still a problem in G2. I guess it will need the lidar.

it's not phantom. I know the reason, it's just delayed/ not calibrated properly.

 

[CrazyOne]

it's not phantom. I know the reason, it's just delayed/ not calibrated properly.

Is it for parked cars or curves or traffic that seems to move into lane, but doesn't? G1 has problem with #1 and #2.

 

[ksurfier]

Comparing Gen 2 (2026) Autonomy to 2016 Model S (AP 1.0): The Gen 2 can’t handle line recognition or lane changes as well as the Model S. Obviously this is a major flag and Rivian needs to figure out why 10 year Tesla Tech beats their current offering, maybe at least before pricing it at $2.5k (or $50 per month)…

 

[LoneStar]

Here is my criteria for $50...
-- Handle stop signs and stop lights.
-- Mild mode while driving and stopping but spicy mode when taking off.
-- Move a little right of center on a two lane road when it senses an oncoming vehicle.
-- Auto lane change and pass slower cars on a divided highway.
-- Lane centering and adaptive cruise while towing.

Spot-On assessment

 

[Tim-in-CA]

I guess us Gen 1 customers aren’t grousing too much about this one.

 

[oakhill5]

I think you could make an argument if in 3 years rivian gets 90% of Tesla FSD - then the $2500 would actually be valuable for a used car because at that point rivian will justify charging more in the future / or at least people will think $2500 is a good value , if it ever gets much past adaptive cruise control / highway assist then kiss the $2500 away. However most owners by the time they either love autonomy plus or hate it will end up being into the service a couple years so technically you’re not “losing” $2500. Probably more like $1500 or less

Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if rivian changes their stance on being able to transfer over autonomy+ to a new car once in a while just like a 0% financing. It will boost some sales ect/ move some inventory / meet year end sales quotas which help a company. Telsa does this all the time for certain things so I wouldn’t put it past rivian.

 

[HaveBlue]

Doesn't apply to my Gen 1, but I honestly don't get the business logic on this.

Assuming a 15% take rate (similar to Tesla) $50/mo * ~200k annual vehicle sales * 15% = $18M revenue stream per year of vehicle sales. Apply vehicle sales growth and the longevity of vehicles and it grows to a revenue stream in the low hundreds of millions in a decade.

Rivian already has $5B in revenue. Once Normal scales, they'll have maybe $12B in revenue (~200k annual sales at a $60k ASP across all vehicles / trims).

Autonomy involves a multi-billion dollar software investment effort, on top of putting a couple hundred dollars worth of sensors in every vehicle sold, even if they're not paying for autonomy. I don't get how this maths.

Somehow comma pencils though...

 

[norivian]

What navigation features will be free if you don’t subscribe to Autonomy+?

I am contemplating to stop sharing my navigation data with Rivian.

 

[mkhuffman]

As a follow up to a previous discussion about the eye nanny, I turned if off yesterday and all that works is adaptive cruise. No lane centering, and of course, no hands free anything. I mean you can take your hands off, but then the truck finds the closest ditch.

It might be that is what we get.

I would like lane centering, but I can live with adaptive cruise if that is the functionality we get without a UHF subscription.

 

[Tim-in-CA]

As a follow up to a previous discussion about the eye nanny, I turned if off yesterday and all that works is adaptive cruise. No lane centering, and of course, no hands free anything. I mean you can take your hands off, but then the truck finds the closest ditch.

It might be that is what we get.

I would like lane centering, but I can live with adaptive cruise if that is the functionality we get without a UHF subscription.

If this is the case, then Gen 1 capability would beat non-paid Autonomy+ as it has auto steer + lane centering (on mapped freeways with hands on) and adaptive cruise control included. Seems foolish of Rivian to derate Gen 2 to LESS than Gen 1 capability.

 

[VandalSibs]

The same ones you had before

I would like lane centering, but I can live with adaptive cruise if that is the functionality we get without a UHF subscription.

It's on the Rivian Autonomy+ page at the bottom:

Pretty sure this takes things back to what Gen 2 was before any of the hands-free stuff got implemented, and lines it up with Gen 1.

I'm guessing that something broke when the outage happened last week...

 

[krb1183]

Does anyone anticipate Rivian increasing this price in the near future (monthly rate) or when they improve or iterate within Autonomy+? My wife uses UHF but I don't really, so she is thinking we should pay for it. Like many in this thread I would want functionality improved, but I'm worried that they'd increase the monthly cost making a 2500 dollar investment more of a deal now. I realize we don't know for sure, just want to pulse other members for their thoughts.

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