Tesla ‘Full Self-Driving’ tried to drive owner into a lake, viral video shows

[COdogman]

Fewer than the number of deaths caused by meatbag drivers, which we've seen is clearly the case. It's already a win that is only getting better.

Oh please do share your evidence to support this statement

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[RandomMcRandomFace]

You must have missed the earnings call last a few weeks back. Tesla is now publishing their FSD figures. There are currently "1.1 million" active subscribers to Tesla's FSD which represents about 12% of all their cars on the road (10million).
I forgot the breakdown numbers for people that purchased it out right but the amount of people paying $99 month to month is quite substantial, I remember it working out to about $350 million dollars a year in revenue. Don't forget FSD is most optimal on the latest hw4 hardware. I believe they uptake rate for newer cars is around 30%.
And this is people paying for the "supervised" version. When it's "unsupervised" like the current robotaxis that are on the road, imagine how many people will be paying then.
The moment your Tesla (unsupervised) can take your kids to and from their part-time jobs, little league, friends houses, the mall, take Grandma to her doctor appointment ect....all instead of you being a full-time taxi driver, there are millions of parents who will be begging Tesla to take their money.

I didn’t miss anything - that’s what I was referencing. 12% isn’t indicative of a “game changing” and “mind blowing” feature - 88% of people who own a Tesla (so not generally of car drivers) don’t think its worth the money. [EDIT - the 1.1 million is total users and mostly those who purchased it when the promises were more believable, not recent subscribers - your 30% figure is, I assume, because 30% of the 1.1 million are subscribers. That’s remarkably worse. People who purchased it long ago were just duped . . .]

I’d want to see the data on 30% of new car uptake - I’ve never seen that stat anywhere. Would be interested (particularly since HW3 can’t and never will deliver on the promise - so maybe it is skewed).

Robotaxis are not unsupervised (unless you mean Waymo? cause Tesla certainly doesn’t make any).

When it’s unsupervised (my prediction: never on any current hardware), then sure - that will be great. I just get a little tired of the Tesla Stan brigade telling everyone how great FSD is (well, not now, it’s not worth the money, but soon! Just like Elon annually promises).

 

[Motoarzon]

- go watch the recent YouTube Tesla earnings call and you will get all the FSD subscription numbers. You'll be quite surprised.
- Musk has reiterated over and over again at earnings calls and other events that FSD "unsupervised" will first come to hw4 cars, that it will take them longer to get it on hw3. But that if they can't get "unsupervised" to work on hw3 that they will be upgraded for free. The same way they upgraded hw2 to hw3 for free. Personally I don't think they will upgrade hw3 to 4. They will just refund those who purchased FSD right out, or offer promotions to upgrade to a new hw4 car. Then lock those hw3 cars out from having fsd... In the grand scheme of things it's a relatively low number of people who purchased FSD and also have hw3. And again, only if they can't get FSD to go on them.
- you are behind on the news. There is fully "UNSUPERVISED" robotaxis in operation today. Yes, no driver, no safety monitor in the passenger seat, nothing. Just you in the car all by yourself where you can fall asleep in the backseat and wake up at your destination. As per "robotaxi tracker" (go look up the website robotaxitracker.com) there are about 300 vehicles between Austin and San Francisco. Musk stated they will be doubling the number every month. Last month it was around 150, now we are at 300. As per the earnings call, they will also be expanding into half a dozen new cities this year. Based on that monthly doubling there should be around 300K robotaxi vehicles by your end.
The technology actually really does work and is sound, and it's only getting better and improving.... It is only a matter of scaling up from here and there are millions of vehicles with hw4 which upon regulatory approval only need a software update and ready to go.
- breaking news... Just today a few hours ago the very first robo taxi rolled off the assembly line in giga texas... Robotaxi, the two-seater gold ones that they revealed last year.
- this stuff is real, and is going to happen irregardless of what naysayers think.
- And to your last point, don't take my word for it, go try it yourself! What have you got to lose, just for sh1ts and giggles book a test drive and try the FSD. You will either a. Be blown away and realize you need to get off the naysayer bandwagon. Or, b. Have that delicious mic-drop moment where you can "prove" yourself right.

 

[Rade]

When we had the active subscription to FSD in my husband Model Y, though he used it to navigate to and from work without issue, the occasions when he would use it while I was in the vehicle, the system would go into, as I call it, "A$$hole Mode" - taking the speed up to 80mph and careening through traffic. And short of disengaging completely, there was no way we could find to bring it back down to a reasonable driving experience. I witnessed several "close calls"; more than I care to ever experience again. This was not some "Disney Test Track"'; this was real-life, 4500 pound vehicle under software control, driving recklessly and feeling like it was legitimately about to crash.
Under Rivian's UHF, I feel like I have control - that I can EASILY adjust the speed and control when to navigate around traffic. The system also requires I am attentive. If I take my eyes off the road for more than a few seconds, I get a warning, and if I do not obey, the system will disengage and will not be available again until the vehicle is parked and restarted. Even driving when tired, I cannot even close my eyes for more than 10 seconds without the alarms sounding. When we would be driving under FSD, my husband would be more concerned about scrolling through the playlist then watching the road; fidgeting with settings, etc. nary a warning from the Tesla.

Under FSD, the Tesla just does not feel like a safer vehicle.

 

[RandomMcRandomFace]

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There are no unsupervised Robotaxis. First, there are barely any robotaxis at all (300 may be the number of cars, but it surely isn’t the number of actively in service cars). Second, they all have safety drivers (San Fran) or safety passengers (Austin). The “unsupervised” ones you are referring to were announced by musk just prior to the earnings call and were followed by chase cars (To supervise them). They no longer exist . . . At least no one can find one. This is the same thing as the driverless delivery - did it once, filmed it, made a big deal out of it, never did it again.

As for the robotaxi without a steering wheel - they cannot operate it anywhere legally - they can’t even operate in any individual US city w/o supervision. Unsure why that matters at this point or proves anything about FSD. Kind feel like building a car you can’t operate is a little odd, but what do I know.

If you believe they will have 300k Robotaxis by year end, holy hell man - Musk said half the population would be coverd LAST YEAR. No claim he’s made has been correct (in timing). They have a few cars - they operate maybe 30 in Austin in reality. Even if they do have 300, that’s a fraction of what Musk said they’d have as of end of year so the “doubling” really shouldn‘t be viewed as a continuing trend.

I owned a Tesla, I’ve been inside many Telsas, if I wanted to drive a Tesla I could. I am super glad people like FSD and I look forward to the day cars drive themselves. It will be awesome. But FSD is not self driving. It is a level 2 driver aid - perhaps a super great one, but not self driving. That’s all.

 

[McLovin]

- this stuff is real, and is going to happen irregardless of what naysayers think.

irregardless is NOT a word...(ir)regardless of what Webster's Dictionary says!!!!

Sorry...just a huge pet peeve of mine...carry on...

 

[stormbreaker]

These threads are always so much fun.
If you choose to use FSD, I trust you will not hurt anyone but yourself if one of those edge cases show up. Somehow I don't think we can trust that will be the case.

And no I don't trust meatbags driving either. My goodness people are fundamentally broken today. I will continue to drive defensively to protect myself, my family, and my truck.

Drive safely folks

 

[SwampNut]

It's a good thing that human drivers NEVER do this. It's only a self driving problem. I'm sure this person is a much better driver than FSD.

 

[captainjp]

irregardless is NOT a word...(ir)regardless of what Webster's Dictionary says!!!!

Sorry...just a huge pet peeve of mine...carry on...

I suffer from the same.
Regardless or irrespective. Drives me nuts

 

[SwampNut]

Drives me nuts

Their there they're, you'll be ok.

(Fellow pedant)

 

[McLovin]

Their there they're, you'll be ok.

(Fellow pedant)

English is Hard, But Can Be Understood Through Tough Thorough Thought Though

 

[SwampNut]

 

[COdogman]

It's a good thing that human drivers NEVER do this. It's only a self driving problem. I'm sure this person is a much better driver than FSD.

Did anyone here say human drivers never do that or make other driving mistakes?

You are the one claiming FSD/ AP are better and safer than “meatbag” drivers yet you seem to be embarrassingly short on evidence for that BS opinion. So you keep talking about literally anything else…. What a shocker

 

[Dark-Fx]

BUT DIDN'T!! So in other words doing exactly as it's intended to do.

I watched the video. The person behind the wheel interrupted FSD, which is why IT DIDN'T!!

 

[Dark-Fx]

Fewer than the number of deaths caused by meatbag drivers, which we've seen is clearly the case. It's already a win that is only getting better.

Fellow meatbag driver. Most of the mistakes humans make are because they aren't paying attention to a specific thing that they should be. A computer that can see in every direction at all times should make exactly zero of those mistakes.

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