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As you might have guessed.... higher gas prices has increased interest in EVs [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

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Heck, we (as a nation, not us here on the forums!) don't have to "figure it out". The solutions exist, and have existed for quite a few years. We just need to do them.
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It's certainly possible for SFHs to install enough charging capacity for an EV or two in most cases, but that's not where the large infrastructure impasse is. Multifamily dwellings like condos, especially those built decades ago, don't have the upstream capacity to just install a dozen or so L2 connectors.

https://www.evconnect.com/blog/property-managers-guide-ev-charging-apartments-multifamily/

But sure, just install some breakers and solve all our problems. Adding charging infrastructure isn't impossible, it's just not easy which is the continued point I am making.
 

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Sat there and read it. Still don't get the point of the article. To keep beating the dead horse over slowing EV plans? lol The article starts talking about a couple who bought an EV with gas pricing into consideration and then points to what happened last year for why sales won't increase in this one? EV searches won't translate to sales? Is that the point?

The nearsightedness of today's world drives me insane. Markets are reacting immediately to any trend instead of putting any effort into long term goals. Yes, the market can very much shift again if gas prices stay above $4. Go ask Europe.
 

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Yeah, but we're not talking about China.
Unless you're a Canadian.

If you are I imagine you're pretty excited to Chinese EV's to land.

In any case having access to cheaper EV's generally means people will find a way.
 

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But sure, just install some breakers and solve all our problems. Adding charging infrastructure isn't impossible, it's just not easy which is the continued point I am making.
Agreed. Nothing about this transition to electrification is going to be easy...especially the global will power from our leaders to do it, because it needs to be initiated from the Top. But, as others have stated, humanity has the technology TODAY to drastically decarbonize anthropogenic activity. Light duty vehicles are certainly easier than Planes, Cargo Ships or diesel electric Locomotives (transportation).
 

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This is correct.

Technically you could feed those extra electrons to the grid for others, but meh haha.

I love having a sun powered EV.
If I wasn't 6' 3" with a 37" inseam, some of those more efficient cars would be an option for me to travel long distance in. We have a 2016 Leaf and 2025 Ioniq 5 that get the bulk of the around town miles and solar which also powers all of the lawn equipment (gas equipment is way more polluting than ICE cars). I am chipping away at becoming fully clean energy electricified. The next to go is a gas heater and standard AC for a combined heat pump. I just want to be able to capture all of that waste heat to create hot water but I am struggling to find a company that will install that type of system.
 

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1. Oil is subsidized in the US to the tune of $34 billion per year.
2. Federal and State gasoline taxes are inadequate to maintain and improve our nation’s highways.
3. EVs AND ICEV need use based tax to contribute to national, state and local roads. ICEVs already have fuel taxes and EVs pay during registration.
Meanwhile people here are driving bloated electron guzzling SUVs. It’s hard to argue against an inefficient ICE SUV when a R1S is oversized for 90% of buyers and inefficient as well.
Fully agree with R1S being oversized and inefficient. The only plus over my 21 Audi Etron is range with Max Performance. I will probable be trading for 5 pax R2 or Lucid Gravity just to buy US.
 

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On last nights Autoline Daily, they said that used EV sales in the EU are going through the roof.

 

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It's certainly possible for SFHs to install enough charging capacity for an EV or two in most cases, but that's not where the large infrastructure impasse is. Multifamily dwellings like condos, especially those built decades ago, don't have the upstream capacity to just install a dozen or so L2 connectors.

https://www.evconnect.com/blog/property-managers-guide-ev-charging-apartments-multifamily/

But sure, just install some breakers and solve all our problems. Adding charging infrastructure isn't impossible, it's just not easy which is the continued point I am making.
I believe the mentality of profit above all else is what holds back multifamily charging. Even basic utilities are now charged as an extra fee with a layer of profit on top. Or the case of a small minority might get a benefit that others pay for. There is no more community for the common good anymore.

And yes I am in the business in a small way.
 

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I wouldn't be so quick on that one. A transformer upgrade for a high rise can be tens of thousands (or more). Add the EVSEs wiring, and associated construction (digging up parking lots, sidewalks, etc.) and the bill for each one can be $2k-$5k. A condo might use a special assessment to fund this and collect from each tenant regardless of whether they own an EV or not. This is where these initiatives often die. It's not always some mega corporation prioritizing profit that blocks EVSE installation.

But new construction is another story. Many tenants demand EV charging, and most will pay a premium for it. If I ever move to a condo or multifamily dwelling, I'll only consider ones where I can plug in reliably. The builders know I am not the only one and they know installing EVSEs delivers some of the highest ROI to attracting tenants:

https://www.nationalcarcharging.com/home/multifamily-rentals
 

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Interesting. CNN is owned by Warner Bros Discovery, who are influenced by big oil, just like the majority of other media outlets and automakers. Just look at how many car commercials there are on regular TV/cable. It’s all drug ads and car commercials. These are the industries that control the media due to their outsized investment in advertising dollars. This is even before these oil-producing countries have started to blatantly buy control of our media. This is some 1984/Idiocracy shit here.

“Warner Bros. Discovery is involved in a proposed merger with Paramount, which is backed by $24 billion from sovereign wealth funds in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Abu Dhabi. This raises concerns about foreign influence in American media, although the investors will not have governance rights.”
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