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Both of my vehicles (Audi and Jeep) will allow me to turn on the fog lights with the headlights off.

I was talking about pricing at launch. Rivian didn't start at the price they claimed. I think we will most likely see the same thing happen with the R2.

My guess for the R2 was always $55k. I never believed the $45k price because it seemed too good to be true. If I remember correctly, Rivian said the original R1T would cost $67k, but by the time they started selling them, they were more like $75k, right? Something like that, I don’t really...

Will there be an R2 at $45k though?

I think there will definitely be a price difference for sure, but even at those prices, the Scout is closer to the R2 than the R1. And I'm not so sure that I believe the R2 will be $45k either, but I guess we'll see...

Imagine buying an R1S for the price of an R2 (based upon known figures for the R1S and the projected figures for the R2) That's the big advantage for Scout right there. The price point says R2, but the vehicle competes more with the R1. And for the offroad crowd, the Scout is most likely going...

There's really no defined rule for when a company moves away from being considered a startup. But many people look at things like attaining profitability, stop relying on external funding, low risk of failure, etc. To me, Rivian is still firmly a startup company. Maybe I'll feel differently...

The difference is this: it's not IF you take a vehicle offroad that matters. What truly matters is if you can. That's why many people choose capable vehicles on the first place, even if they don't intend to offroad them.

The Scout is really going to be a problem for Rivian if things go the way they claim. If the Scout is priced similarly to the R2, I really think it's going to eat into Rivian sales, both R2 and R1.

That works both ways, right? You know what they say about assumptions.

That makes sense. And that's why you just posted a bunch of reasons why your Rivian is unreliable without even realizing it. The stranded thing is just one aspect of reliability. All the other issues you mentioned are also factors in overall reliability. And FWIW, most modern vehicles have...

I hear you and I agree, but one car is a pretty much irrelevant. My current Audi and Jeep have not yet had a single issue. And the Audi is pretty modified and makes more than double it's original horsepower. Neither of those vehicles are known for reliability, although Audi has been more...

Why do you assume it's not? How much would you bet that I can't find people in this very forum who praised CR and bashed CR for the way they rated Rivian?

Reliability isn't just about not leaving people stranded. It's about all the issues that people experience during their ownership. Have you ever looked at a CR Reliability Survey?

The point being made is about the hypocrisy of it all. You can't praise CR for the data you like and then bash them and say they are useless and irrelevant for the data you don't like.

Wow...not just at the bottom, but IN THE TEENS! Do better, Rivian. There are a lot of potential buyers that are influenced by this kind of data.

Yeah, I may get there some day, but fir now I still enjoy having multiple vehicles and being able to work on them too. I don't know for sure, but I'll probably always have at least one car in my garage to mess around with.

Don't need to read it again. You said they aren't Jeeps. They are Jeeps. And no, a Rivian is not going to compete with a stock Rubicon Wrangler off-road, much less a lifter and modified one. Rock crawling would be a glaringly obvious advantage for the Jeep, but so would other aspects of...

Oh, I can absolutely assure you that there are a lot of Jeeps besides the Wrangler. Just check Jeep's website and you'll see the other Jeep models. Blows away how? Certainly not in offroad performance. LOL. Your brother's Jeep is cute. Not exactly my cup of tea though. I like a more well...

Exactly. Good to see that someone gets it. 12V batteries have a Reserve Capacity raring fircthis very reason. Nobody is getting an ICE vehicle stuck dead in the middle of the road when the battery dies.