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If they aren't the same thing then why are they lumped together on Tesla's "safety report" that you claim validates FSD safety?? :CWL: Seems like you combine, then separate them when it suits your argument....

space age fashion statement, eh? 🤔

I would assume the same. I guess there is just a higher percentage of FSD users who don't want to pay attention... Watch in Horror as Cybertruck Driver Plays "Grand Theft Auto" While Screaming Down Highway on Self-Driving Mode https://futurism.com/tesla-cybertruck-fsd-gta

Yeah, people only die in new vehicles... that is the standard everyone should use from now on :rolleyes:

Weird how Tesla gets a pass from you for data integrity - they can combine Autopilot and FSD stats, provide no transparency at all and you are fine with it, but ISEECARS must jump through hoops for you :CWL:

What a load of entitled bullshit.

School buses stopped to pick up/ drop off children on all types of roads is about as "real world" as it gets. That is a situation where there should be no room for error. If even you admit it won't stop in that situation every time, then it's dangerous. The "real world" should not be forced to...

So I guess a stopped school bus with children crossing the street is not "real world" enough for Tesla to care about? Blaming the bus driver is low even for you. What if the street were wide enough to provide the same amount of space as in the video without pulling over to the side? The fact...

So it did or didn't drive right past the school bus stop signs and lights?

TLDR Straw man fallacy. No one expected "fully formed, able to deal with absolutely every edge case". What should be expected is transparency, and as much safety as possible. There is literally no evidence that FSD/ Autopilot is safer than human drivers. None. Even in your longwinded post you...

Test Shows FSD Ignoring School Bus Stop Signs and Lights, Runs Over Child-Size Mannequin https://dawnproject.com/the-dawn-project-and-tesla-takedowns-live-safety-tests-of-tesla-full-self-driving-in-austin/

Yep. And as we know, Tesla has the highest fatal crash rate of all brands. Weird🤔

Yeah, I guess Tesla is just confused so they combined them on their “safety report”:CWL:

I didn’t start the thread, but thank you for giving me credit for doing so. The rest of your nonsense is designed to deflect away from the fact that you cannot prove it is as safe as you and Tesla claim. And it doesn’t bother you even a little bit that you cannot prove that point. Tesla has not...

Actually I never said any of those things. Did you mean to reply to someone else?

Stop changing the subject and moving the goalposts.

That’s a very strange way for you to admit you are fine with ADAS systems killing more🤔 probably the most honest thing you have ever posted. Too many humans die and are injured in accidents already. If you can prove that will be lowered with current self driving tech, let’s see it! (You have...

They are one and the same, but keep spinning.