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If it’s total disposable income, go for it. Otherwise, I would wait to see if Rivian survives the R2 launch. They aren’t selling R1s so there will be opportunities for good deals every quarter.

Their product is not competitive on the charging aspect. But it’s way too late to change the architecture now. They sales are down and I have 2 friends that have a one year old Gen 2 and they are done with Rivian - too expensive of a vehicle with too many problems and bad service. One had a tech...

Same with Honda pilot. It doesn’t often happen

Except Tesla was launching in a no competition environment, with heavy subsidies to customers, and billions in govt financing. Rivian is launching in a heavy competition environment, with a risk of having 0 customer subsidies, and govt subsidies gone for 4 years.

The stock is a bouncer between 11 and 14.

Really good idea. Same here - haven’t seen any newly purchased Rivians in the Bay Area in maybe 2 months. Need to get cars moving.

Maybe a Slate is in your future!

I just don’t think there would be a market for something that small. It would have to be a 2 seater, I would think.

I think OP is hoping it’s much better than new in this case 😂

Not sure you could have an R2T. That would be a small truck… Most of these off road cars end up as pavement princesses as they become more main stream. Look at Land Rover. Jeeps are teen trucks. Just the way it is. Drive what you like. 😀

Guess I am not understanding the over engineered part.

No. Kia is sticking with the 800V architecture. It’s not over engineered…. Plus you can’t read get a fully loaded family hauler for $65k out the door. It’s a very competitive price for that size car.

Correct. The sales slump is costing them.

Sure, but you don’t need to add 80kw to a Y because it’s way more efficient. So, you maybe only need 50kw in a Y to get the range from 80kw in an R1

Funny - I knew you were Cali just by your power numbers lol. Same thing here. Installed in 2018 when I could charge for .13. Now it’s .33. Daytime power went from .3 to .62. So my breakeven went from 8-10 years to 5-7 years or so. Basically, I’m in the money as of today. I’m guessing not all...

Solar will be cheaper in 6 years. But power cost will be increasing during that time. So your payoff time shrinks because you are offsetting more expensive energy costs.

Same here. We’ve taken hits in the back in a Pilot and a Bolt. In both cases, the car hitting us looked totaled and we were fine. Can’t imagine the Bolt is built like a tank 😂

Does your utility not use net metering?

If it’s a 2023, you are going to take a hit a on resale, but I think that’s ok because depreciation on these cars is pretty bad. You can get a 2023 R1S quad with less than 10k miles for about $75k on Carvana. So, you are at a good mileage for that price, plus the warranty. I’d look at the...

I’m always happy to be wrong! Let’s see how it plays out.