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  1. 2025.22 Update - Official Release Notes (Now With Google Maps Navigation)

    How is rivian going to add weather radar on top of this when the maps look like they are running on a 15 year old tablet
  2. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    Elon is not tesla. He lies all the time. But tesla doesn't publish official statements that are lies. You keep fucking moving goalposts. Accident rate is what tesla reports because it's the ONLY metric that exists in real life. We have no metric of how often drivers do dangerous things...
  3. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    You think tesla is publishing false data? That's a serious claim. Rivian blatantly lied about their ADAS capabilities, but they exaggerated the truth in a video. They don't publish fake data. Tesla reports every accident that happens with their ADAS technology to the NHTSA. It's legally...
  4. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    Because you're a moron. 48 people didn't die because FSD was engaged. You refuse to accept it because that's too good The accidents per mile of FSD and autopilot is lower than the average. In fact, FSD is not hitting vulnerable road users or we'd know about it. FSD is safe. You're just too...
  5. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    Safer than human is with the data they have. Accidents per mile They show the system being used as intended which is in a supervised capacity. If anything their data would be brought down by outlier individuals who abuse the system or operate while drunk Tesladeaths.com is independent 3rd...
  6. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    you mean by posting their safety and accident statistics (where safety critical interventions would have helped)? they don't count anything that's not an accident because it's not an accident? The selling point of their system is the safety of their systems with human supervision. Considering...
  7. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    If you do like rivian and you have a weak steering motor you never can have life saving technology. If you only drive centered in the lane the you can never have a truly safe system. You need to take everything into consideration when the car makes moves on its own. people refuse to accept...
  8. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    Notice how anyone who claims the car drives like a "drunk" teenager refuses to actually drive a car and use the system for yourself? It works really well and it drives the opposite of drunk. It is smoother than it is physically possible to drive on your own.
  9. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    There's a difference between a mistake and a SAFETY CRITICAL mistake. A safety critical mistake puts other cars in danger dodging an object on the road (that doesn't need to be dodged) is not a safety critical mistake if it doesn't put other cars in danger Turning right on a no right on red...
  10. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    Part of the experiment only matters if the car puts you in danger. Which mistakes do not. If a car dodges an obstacle because the lane opposite of you is empty? Nothing dangerous about that
  11. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    Full of mistakes is relative. You can supervise the system in an area you know FSD is not good, like if the maps in your area are wrong and FSD is misled from the maps Any mistakes you see are anecdotal where FSD is driving for 4 billion miles and of course it will make mistakes And the other...
  12. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    When is the last time you've used FSD? There is no phantom braking on highways. Before FSD 12.6.4 on HW3 or 13.2 on HW4, FSD was not useful. Now it is The reason I say 12.6.4 or whatever is because HW3 did not have end to end AI on highways HW4, FSD doesn't make the dumb mistakes it used to...
  13. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    How many mistakes do you make every time you go out and drive? How many? that's right, you don't know The only time you know is when a police officer happens to see you do it and you get a ticket
  14. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    Because that's not a useful metric. When a self driving car makes a mistake it does it with a calculated understanding of 100% of the cars around it and the trajectory they are moving. As well as all vulnerable road users. What matters are safety critical mistakes. And safety critical mistakes...
  15. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    What people don't like to hear is 50 people will die across 4 billion miles of driving. When you get to the billions of miles level, someone will die. Not everything is preventable as only 90% of accidents are caused by human error. You have 10% which are not caused by human error as well as...
  16. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    It is. Because if you look at all deaths, some are going to happen and are unavoidable. There is in fact a 3rd death using tesla FSD. Dan o'dowd even went public on television parroting this death and how tesla FSD is dangerous. he left out the fact that a drunk driver turned into the car head...
  17. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    Do you want me to go through your post history and list every ignorant and incorrect thing you've said?
  18. Tesla Breached Contract on FSD, Arbitrator Rules – Ordered to Refund Owner

    No, but it appears that way when you post misleading and ignorant articles. Some people get defensive too because cars simply feel ancient without FSD software. Even as it is, supervised and all, it doesn't drive like the "drunk teenager" people claim it does. It drives smoother than it is...
  19. France Orders Tesla to End ‘Deceptive’ Self-Driving Claims or Face €50,000 Daily Fines

    Look at the article. France is demanding tesla allow refunds given the FSD product is not released. There are currently two paths to release FSD in europe. First is by claiming FSD is a new technology and the 2nd is through the new framework that allows data from US systems to speed up the...
  20. France Orders Tesla to End ‘Deceptive’ Self-Driving Claims or Face €50,000 Daily Fines

    Germany is backwards in that they allow high speed level 3 driving but they do not allow system initiated maneuvers. Level 3 driving is shockingly dangerous in that all of the "risk" is placed upon the lead car ahead of you. The issue is a lead car can swerve last minute to dodge a stationary...





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