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Yep. Cancelled my R1T order and going for the S. And while we’re at it, a Y for my Mrs.

My take is what you’re seeing is actually a wheel cover, and not the actual wheel. But you’re right. That wheel cover will likely get trashed out in the wild.

Correct. Sorry. I didn’t look any further because I wasn’t interested in it.

I’m starting to lean toward giving up my R1T reservation (February 2021) and ordering a Model S. Basically because the Tesla will be much more efficient with the same performance and range, and I really don’t need a pickup. And Tesla being a known company with pretty good local support in my area.

I was able to see the CT today via this link: https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck

Perhaps the UI will have its own separate manual, or it will be available only on the UI itself. That way when updates happen, they don’t have to print new versions as the manual updates will be part of the download.

What makes an EV cost thousands more than a similarly equipped ICEV?

The S does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds. The R1T does 0-60 in 3 seconds. Both have four doors and five seats.

Fair enough. And since there’s already a thread about “What if Rivian changes their price”, I won’t delve into the question of how much would folks be willing to pay. It’s just when I look at the price of the Rivian vs other vehicles of similar performance and range, it seems like a real...

Sorry you’re unable to understand my point.

Well, I don’t know that I would consider Tesla to be “higher end”. Sure, they offer some impressive performance and range numbers. But the examples I’ve looked at all had the usual issues Tesla has a reputation for, i.e., misaligned body panels, door keys that didn’t work right, etc.

I do think the EQS and Lucid cost more to make than the S because of the quality of materials they use (EQS) and the R&D and technology used (Lucid). Your comment about the Hummer sort of makes my point. It’s got a larger battery pack so it should logically cost more. Why doesn’t the Rivian cost...

No, it’s not. A Ferrari is a limited production high performance vehicle. A F250 is not. The Rivian and the Model S have about the same range and 0-60mph numbers.

So, the answer to the OP’s question is no. /thread

Many manufacturers are no longer making sedans. I wonder why? (not really).

Why would someone choose the more expensive S vs the Rivian which has much more versatility and similar performance and luxury specs?(and still qualifies for the fed tax credit)

You’re missing the point. My question is about the cost to build a vehicle with a 105kWh vs 180kWh battery. I can also add that Rivian uses four motors vs only two in the S. Why isn’t the Rivian more expensive than the S?

Knowing that the battery pack is one of the most expensive components in an EV, I’m trying to figure out how Rivian can price their R1 vehicles less than a Tesla Model S. I’ve got a 180kWh max pack R1T pre-ordered with the Explore package and some extras, and it’s coming in at @$80k. A Tesla...

I plan to hang on to this truck for a long time. I just have a feeling a power tonneau cover is something that could be prone to failure. I can’t think of any other manufacturer who has proven this technology to be reliable over the long haul.

I ordered Explore because I didn’t want the power tonneau cover and didn’t care about the rest.