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First of all let me highlight what happened at Apple when iPhone first came out and how eventually Steve Jobs change everything around Apple.

When the original iPhone came out in 2007, Steve Jobs was well aware of its flaws. It had no front camera, measly battery life, and a slow 2G connection from AT&T. It was also underpowered. A former Apple engineer who worked on the device said that while the handset was a breakthrough technology, it was limited because it pieced together components from different vendors, including elements from a Samsung chip used in DVD players.

“Steve came to the conclusion that the only way for Apple to really differentiate and deliver something truly unique and truly great, you have to own your own silicon,” Srouji says. “You have to control and own it.”

This is something true for Autonomous driving as well. Initially no doubt for cost related factors one can use outside created “Vehicle Processor” for computing. But real change will come when in true sense “you have to own your own silicon”.

In future guide cash flow to generate your own “Vehicle processor” which integrates infotainment and Autonomous driving unit in car. No doubt it’s costly but in reality only this will be real differentiator. Better it’s created faster because over time no one wants their Large Language Model (LLM) becomes worthless without outside processors.

Real demand boost of product comes when operation becomes smooth. I felt this when I used iPhones of initial release and iPhone 4. Before that Apple phones and Samsung phones were almost similar.

Brand value increase exponentially with such smooth level of functionality.

Rivian owns software. Always keep in mind and don’t go to rest until silicon (chip processor) of car is not owned. Real test of leader is in developing things where he doesn’t have expertise.

It’s crime being in silicon valley and not owning own silicon.
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In future guide cash flow to generate your own “Vehicle processor” which integrates infotainment and Autonomous driving unit in car. No doubt it’s costly but in reality only this will be real differentiator.
Absolutely no. These two are separate and need to remain separate for safety reasons.

Autonomous driving and other vehicle control functions require what is known in the industry as a Real Time Operating System, and more specifically a hard RTOS. Infotainment is nowhere near real time. The former is exceptionally difficult and expensive and requires tradeoffs that aren't acceptable in the stuff that users interact with. The latter is easy, cheap, and very flexible by comparison.

If the music stutters for a half second it's annoying, no big deal. Same if the map app in the center screen crashes and you have to restart it. But if you step on the brake and it doesn't engage for a half second someone could literally die.

Better it’s created faster because over time no one wants their Large Language Model (LLM) becomes worthless without outside processors.
What?! What what?!


Creating your own silicon sounds like no big deal. But Apple was only successful doing that by getting to absolutely massive scale - selling millions of devices every month. Then they took some of the profits from that and plowed it back into the business - spending literally billions of dollars on it. The number of other companies that have (or could have) successfully done the same is in the low single digits.

Rivian is nowhere near at a point where they can even entertain thinking about considering maybe doing that some day far, far in the future.
 
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Absolutely no. These two are separate and need to remain separate for safety reasons.

Autonomous driving and other vehicle control functions require what is known in the industry as a Real Time Operating System, and more specifically a hard RTOS. Infotainment is nowhere near real time. The former is exceptionally difficult and expensive and requires tradeoffs that aren't acceptable in the stuff that users interact with. The latter is easy, cheap, and very flexible by comparison.

If the music stutters for a half second it's annoying, no big deal. Same if the map app in the center screen crashes and you have to restart it. But if you step on the brake and it doesn't engage for a half second someone could literally die.



What?! What what?!


Creating your own silicon sounds like no big deal. But Apple was only successful doing that by getting to absolutely massive scale - selling millions of devices every month. Then they took some of the profits from that and plowed it back into the business - spending literally billions of dollars on it. The number of other companies that have (or could have) successfully done the same is in the low single digits.

Rivian is nowhere near at a point where they can even entertain thinking about considering maybe doing that some day far, far in the future.
I agree with you on the point that Currently Rivian is not in condition to develop it. But “Real Real Real” Technology differentiator will be creating own “Vehicle Processor Chip”. Only this is the thing where China will fall behind in copying. Otherwise China will copy every other innovation from either Rivian or Tesla.
 

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Even apple silicon is ARM licensed core IP with some (impressive) additions. This thread makes me think the dispensary near me needs to get some better stuff in, I wanna play.

What the JV Rivian is doing with VW is the right tack on the path you thinking OP - differentiate in software and enable hardware flexibility wherever you can.
 

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Welp. I still think it's a bad idea, but they're doing it.
I’ll own being totally wrong on this one, and I’m sorry for being so rude @Staroidter . I’m also not convinced it’s a good idea: my gut says it’s either a lot of marketing over a largely reference design, or I’ll be seriously impressed; and thinking of applications well beyond automotive.
 
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I’ll own being totally wrong on this one, and I’m sorry for being so rude @Staroidter . I’m also not convinced it’s a good idea: my gut says it’s either a lot of marketing over a reference design, or I’ll be seriously impressed; and thinking of applications well beyond automotive.
It’s really all Rivian can offer at this point, given they still aren’t selling enough EVs to reach true profitability. Even the R2 won’t be enough if they only move around 125K units a year. Hopefully this buys them some time until an acquisition eventually comes.
 

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my gut says it’s either a lot of marketing over a reference design, or I’ll be seriously impressed; and thinking of applications well beyond automotive.
It’s got to be the former. Or they licensed IP - does NVIDIA even offer that?
 

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That's a lot of words to say "vertical integration". And it makes sense... to a point.

But chips are a very high cost of engineering in a field that moves very quickly. They have multiple engineers, IP / patents to license, and more before the first chip comes out of TSMC's line. And you have to redo that every year. Plus it's high risk - if there's a mistake Rivian owns replacing every chip in every vehicle. Vs someone else needing to eat that.

my gut says it’s either a lot of marketing over a largely reference design, or I’ll be seriously impressed; and thinking of applications well beyond automotive.
Looks like it's the former:

The foundation of Rivian’s Gen 3 Autonomy Computer is the RAP1, a custom chip built in close collaboration with Arm. Built on Armv9, our most advanced architecture, this custom chip gives Rivian a powerful foundation for next-generation autonomy.
From: https://newsroom.arm.com/news/arm-rivian-autonomy-platform
 

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Stock is ripping right now. Lots of analyst upgrades this morning likely contributing.
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