California aims to provide EV tax credit if Trump kills federal tax credit. Would exclude Teslas

[Eticket99]

You recall that Trump said one of the things he'll do is to get rid of state-based environmental rules for vehicles, right? CA was mentioned in particular. The federal EPA rules would govern over all states,

As a fellow Californian, I find this really dumb. As is, Rivian does not qualify since it costs and weighs more than the current limit. Also the income limit is much lower than the Federal credit limits - in one of the highest cost of living state. The news may talk about Tesla being excluded, so will Lucid, Rivian and other high end EVs, unless the legislators changes that law too.

I find it to be a good thing because people buying $60K+ EVs should not qualify for taxpayers subsidies. I know it's a windfall for most of us that have taken an advantage of the tax credit. The $300K McLaren Artua, which is PHEV with 11 EV miles qualifies for the $7.5k credit, if leased...

The last election witnessed seismic shift from the CA voters. Just look at SF's new Mayor or the LADA. The next two years will either push the voters further to the right and get the state deficit and taxation under control or revert back to the progressive ways. We'll find out.

With Newsom's terming out, there will be a new governor and see what will happen. Regardless of what Newsom may do with the current super majority, it could change if the voters select different candidates.

This is not a flame or political comment. Rather, it's an objective and fact based response.

There's no guarantee that pushing our politics right in the state will solve the deficit.... Republicans have proven they can waste $ just as well as Democrats, only difference is Democrats believe in generating revenue through taxing and not "trickle down economics".

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[beyondgravity]

Being pro labor doesn't have to be anti Tesla represented on the green car summit. That was the worst thing Biden could have done. Because look at the mess we're in with Musk/trump

Musk was always right. I had wanted to buy a EV for a long time 10+ years; but since Tesla was the only one, it never pulled me in.

 

[StarTrekNerd]

Musk was always right. I had wanted to buy a EV for a long time 10+ years; but since Tesla was the only one, it never pulled me in.

If you mean "right" as in Republican, big R, probably not really. He advocated for universal income as late as 2019. That's never a Republican ideal. And I've never met a Republican that wanted to tackle climate change. He did change since 2020.

And as much as musk has changed, I don't see many jobs posted that say they have lgbtq concierge services like Tesla.

Tesla =/= Musk

 

[Rad_ry]

But that is disingenuous to the stated goal. "Increase total EVs, but limit to the lowest sales volume"

Newsom should just frame it as a competitive boost, not a climate change initiative.

They have stated "the proposed California rebates, which would include changes to promote innovation and competition in the ZEV market " Seems like excluding the dominant market leader is perfectly aligned to their vision.

 

[Killer95Stang]

As a CA resident I am curious how we would pay for this....

Really? You live in CA and don't know how California pays for everything? They raise dmv registrations, add taxes to petroleum gas, natural gas, electricity, water, property tax, business tax.... etc. CA only knows how to raise money one way.... taxes....

 

[DuoRivians]

Really? You live in CA and don't know how California pays for everything? They raise dmv registrations, add taxes to petroleum gas, natural gas, electricity, water, property tax, business tax.... etc. CA only knows how to raise money one way.... taxes....

And I will never live in another state

 

[StarTrekNerd]

They have stated "the proposed California rebates, which would include changes to promote innovation and competition in the ZEV market " Seems like excluding the dominant market leader is perfectly aligned to their vision.

Excluding the most innovation EV manufacturer certainly is not "promoting innovation".

Choose your word salad carefully or you'll end up with shit.

 

[beaker]

Excluding the most innovation EV manufacturer certainly is not "promoting innovation".

Choose your word salad carefully or you'll end up with shit.

I think the idea is to enable other manufacturers to be able to innovate enough to develop fart-sound technology. #innovation

 

[StarTrekNerd]

I think the idea is to enable other manufacturers to be able to innovate enough to develop fart-sound technology.

10 year old battery technology borrowed from Teslas open source patents is not innovating.

Certainly multibillion dollar corporations can catch up to Tesla.

At this point ICE manufacturers are meeting to see how much they can kill their own EVs under trump.

It's now EV only or nothing. (Tesla, Rivian, Lucid FTW.)

 

[Zorg]

Really? You live in CA and don't know how California pays for everything? They raise dmv registrations, add taxes to petroleum gas, natural gas, electricity, water, property tax, business tax.... etc. CA only knows how to raise money one way.... taxes....

Since you seem a little thick, I should have been more literal by adding "without raising taxes". Happy now?

 

[StarTrekNerd]

Really? You live in CA and don't know how California pays for everything? They raise dmv registrations, add taxes to petroleum gas, natural gas, electricity, water, property tax, business tax.... etc. CA only knows how to raise money one way.... taxes....

So you live in a state with no roads, police, fire or government?

Are you a Somali pirate? Lol

 

[SPITmadFIRE]

Really? You live in CA and don't know how California pays for everything? They raise dmv registrations, add taxes to petroleum gas, natural gas, electricity, water, property tax, business tax.... etc. CA only knows how to raise money one way.... taxes....

"sunny socal" if you don't like it here, you can charge up at a RAN on your way out.

 

[beaker]

At this point ICE manufacturers are meeting to see how much they can kill their own EVs under trump.

Great point and one that is under-discussed.

Elmo’s alleged environmental concerns were always obviously nonsense, but at least we can stop pretending. One doesn’t install the most enviro/climate hostile regime in history if one gives a shit about that sort of thing.

 

[Killer95Stang]

So you live in a state with no roads, police, fire or government?

Are you a Somali pirate? Lol

Oh no... you are mistaken.. I may be a Somali Pirate, but I want people to work hard and pay taxes just like I do. That way they can fund my pension for 20 - 30 years after I stop paying CA taxes.

 

[StarTrekNerd]

Great point and one that is under-discussed.

Elmo’s alleged environmental concerns were always obviously nonsense, but at least we can stop pretending. One doesn’t install the most enviro/climate hostile regime in history if one gives a shit about that sort of thing.

He obviously changed since 2020

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