Rules for Tesla FSD

[Count Orlok]

The Count is mandating that any Tesla driver assist including FSD strictly adhere to posted speed limits.

What rules do you want to see for Tesla FSD? As The Count knows, this is merely a fictional exercise as there is no real FSD with Tesla so make your most ambitious rule!

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[COdogman]

 

[Killer95Stang]

Doesn't the snow plow obscure the front cameras view, renderng FSD useless?

 

[pamalabama]

Speed limit adherence is a bad quality of robotaxis. I suspect that is a big reason that waymo is slow to roll out on the interstate.

With tesla if you set the speed limit offset to 0% it does follow the posted speed limits but if I am not mistaken you need the 40% offset to allow the AI to have the speed to execute the moves it plans.

Waymo is so strict that if the speed limit in a parking lot is 5mph it will spend 10 minutes to go across a parking lot

 

[COdogman]

Speed limit adherence is a bad quality of robotaxis. I suspect that is a big reason that waymo is slow to roll out on the interstate.

With tesla if you set the speed limit offset to 0% it does follow the posted speed limits but if I am not mistaken you need the 40% offset to allow the AI to have the speed to execute the moves it plans.

 

[pamalabama]

The problem with your question is you are looking to mandate robotaxi rules when they could theoretically have more freedoms than a human driver.

For example in my city there are 2 intersections that are no right on red that i am aware of. The only reason they are that way is because of a crosswalk in the turning lane. A car that sees 360 degrees at once would have no safety issue making those turns

 

[Killer95Stang]

Waymo is so strict that if the speed limit in a parking lot is 5mph it will spend 10 minutes to go across a parking lot

At least in my observations, that is 100% true. I'm all over Los Angeles... and if the posted sign is 25 - 35, it seems to take the turns at higher than average speeds. Where the "law abiding" public may be overly cautious at certain intersections with a lot of traffic or peds, the Waymos just follow the rules and go.

 

[sub]

It shouldn't be the car's responsibility to enforce the law. Even if the car could be 100% accurate about the limit(and it it can't), there may be legitimate situations exceeding the speed limit is necessary.

That said I really hate American culture of ignoring speed limits and requiring everyone guess what is fast enough not to trigger road rage in other drivers yet not so fast you are risking a ticket. And at the same time giving the police permission to stop anyone at any time since 1mph over is technically illegal and 1mph under is grounds to suspect an impaired driver.

I want to see the government put speed cameras on every speed limit sign and send $1,000 tickets to every vehicle going 1 mph over the limit.

If the signs are unreasonably slow, the solution is to change the number on the signs, not just ignore them and continue to putting up signs with a number that you don't want/expect people to follow.

If the signs displayed the number that was going to be enforced and it was actually enforced our roads would be a lot safer.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

It shouldn't be the car's responsibility to enforce the law. Even if the car could be 100% accurate about the limit(and it it can't), there may be legitimate situations exceeding the speed limit is necessary.

That said I really hate American culture of ignoring speed limits and requiring everyone guess what is fast enough not to trigger road rage in other drivers yet not so fast you are risking a ticket. And at the same time giving the police permission to stop anyone at any time since 1mph over is technically illegal and 1mph under is grounds to suspect an impaired driver.

I want to see the government put speed cameras on every speed limit sign and send $1,000 tickets to every vehicle going 1 mph over the limit.

If the signs are unreasonably slow, the solution is to change the number on the signs, not just ignore them and continue to putting up signs with a number that you don't want/expect people to follow.

If the signs displayed the number that was going to be enforced and it was actually enforced our roads would be a lot safer.

That sounds great, except the speed limit needs to be set for big trucks and high-performance sedans. So, the box truck can take turns at 30, but the sedan could do it at 70; where do we set the speed limit? The other problem with speed limits is many places use speeding tickets as revenue generators. The whole concept of speed limits is stupid outside of residential streets.

 

[NY_Rob]

First rule for FSD? Don't use it!

 

[sub]

That sounds great, except the speed limit needs to be set for big trucks and high-performance sedans. So, the box truck can take turns at 30, but the sedan could do it at 70; where do we set the speed limit?

Set it at whatever number you want enforced.

Also plenty of places already put up signs with different numbers for cars and trucks. Or day and night. The signs could even be digital displays that dynamic change based on the time of day, traffic density, weather, etc.

The other problem with speed limits is many places use speeding tickets as revenue generators.

A widespread policy of strictly enforcing the posted limit would end such abuses over night. You can only use speeding fines as a revenue generator if people don't know where the line is. If everyone knows 1 mph over means a 100% chance of getting a ticket, very few people will speed and very few tickets will actually be issued.

I assume you were implying that is a bad thing to fund the government by randomly issuing tickets to whatever number of people is needed to generate the desired revenue. If you think that funding the government by fining people for violating a law that is functionally impossible to not violate is a good thing then we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[JM.]

1. Allow all autonomous vehicles to tailgate with other autonomous vehicles. It's perfectly safe, faster, and prevents the dumbass meatbag drivers from getting in their way.

2. Average the speed of traffic and pick something safe. That is almost always above the speed limit. In the places I frequent often, doing the speed limit is unsafe for everyone.

3. I think we need to make it more obvious what cars are fully autonomous, but not sure how. So others can realize they will drive differently. A lot of morons will take this as a cue to hate, but hopefully eventually those will die off.

 

[bigsky]

I rarely use FSD in the city. If I ever use it on the highway, speed offset is set to.0 absolute. Drive at speed limit, sit back and relax. Never in a big fat hurry, don't care if get somewhere 5, 10, 100 min. later. Or earlier.

 

[JM.]

I rarely use FSD in the city. If I ever use it on the highway, speed offset is set to.0 absolute. Drive at speed limit, sit back and relax. Never in a big fat hurry, don't care if get somewhere 5, 10, 100 min. later. Or earlier.

I care if I get rear-ended or sideswiped by the moron going 20 over.

 

[Dark-Fx]

What rules do you want to see for Tesla FSD?

Follow the law, don't learn bad habits from terrible drivers.

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