Bee
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- Jim
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I'll lead off by saying I'm not your average consumer, I spend money on things I think are worth it then keep it forever. I only retired my 2008 GTI I bought new for instance because the repairs were getting cumbersome vs. how much I drove it. If headliners weren't coming down ($1k+) and ABS computers ($3k) failing regularly I'd be happily sporting it in my driveway to this day.
I kind of don't know where to put the R1X on livability beyond 10 years. It has so few parts but are those parts going to make it a dead car in 10-15 years no matter what? Like when the motor eventually breaks that opens the charge port, is that going to cost $1,000 to replace? Are we even going to be able to get/make parts with how integrated everything is?
The biggest question though, one we can at least take an educated guess at is how much is it going to cost to replace the battery pack? Using Google sources we can slightly over-estimate the current cost per kWh, hopefully this will be around 30-50% cheaper when the time comes given at some point supply should meet demand on raw materials.
$140 / kWh * 135 kWh = $18,900
$140 / kWh * 180 kWh = $25,200
If I had to price is right guess it, come in below but not over, I'd guess $26,000 and $33,000, respectively. There needs to be room in there for markup and labor. Does this absolutely kill the second life for the majority of R1Xs? Am I estimating too high? Do we think there will be a high scrap value for our dead packs that can offset?
I just don't know what to consider, are all current BEVs over 50kWh just disposable? Replacing a 40kWh Nissan Leaf battery is entirely different than a 180kWh truck battery.
I kind of don't know where to put the R1X on livability beyond 10 years. It has so few parts but are those parts going to make it a dead car in 10-15 years no matter what? Like when the motor eventually breaks that opens the charge port, is that going to cost $1,000 to replace? Are we even going to be able to get/make parts with how integrated everything is?
The biggest question though, one we can at least take an educated guess at is how much is it going to cost to replace the battery pack? Using Google sources we can slightly over-estimate the current cost per kWh, hopefully this will be around 30-50% cheaper when the time comes given at some point supply should meet demand on raw materials.
$140 / kWh * 135 kWh = $18,900
$140 / kWh * 180 kWh = $25,200
If I had to price is right guess it, come in below but not over, I'd guess $26,000 and $33,000, respectively. There needs to be room in there for markup and labor. Does this absolutely kill the second life for the majority of R1Xs? Am I estimating too high? Do we think there will be a high scrap value for our dead packs that can offset?
I just don't know what to consider, are all current BEVs over 50kWh just disposable? Replacing a 40kWh Nissan Leaf battery is entirely different than a 180kWh truck battery.
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