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Wow. Very disappointing earnings call. They have seemingly **** the bed in every imaginable way.

As both a shareholder (LOL) and a pre-order holder, I'm really starting to wonder wtf they are doing.

This was most shocking:
https://electrek.co/2022/03/10/rivian-q4-results-loses-2-billion-revises-production-25000-evs-2022/



How they hell did they have almost NO ramp in production from Q4 to Q1???
I thought I read somewhere the factory was essentially shut down for a period of time. Something about some virus that was spreading around.
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Wow. Very disappointing earnings call. They have seemingly **** the bed in every imaginable way.

As both a shareholder (LOL) and a pre-order holder, I'm really starting to wonder wtf they are doing.

This was most shocking:
https://electrek.co/2022/03/10/rivian-q4-results-loses-2-billion-revises-production-25000-evs-2022/



How they hell did they have almost NO ramp in production from Q4 to Q1???
Sounds like the may have been intentionally building up a logjam in each section of the plant and then getting as many through as they could in a row. Helps to hammer out all of the growing pains they might run into when they are actually at a higher level of production for the whole plant.
 

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How they hell did they have almost NO ramp in production from Q4 to Q1???
Sounds like you weren't listening on the call. It's all supply constraint issues. RJ specifically said that the production line is idle far more than they'd like because of it. But, the key take away was that while the line is running, it's running at a capacity that would get them to 50k vehicles per year. They revised their 2022 estimate to 25k vehicles based on that and expected supply issues resolving in the back half of the year.
 

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Sounds like you weren't listening on the call. It's all supply constraint issues. RJ specifically said that the production line is idle far more than they'd like because of it. But, the key take away was that while the line is running, it's running at a capacity that would get them to 50k vehicles per year. They revised their 2022 estimate to 25k vehicles based on that and expected supply issues resolving in the back half of the year.
So what youre saying is their previous guidance of 50,000 vehicles for 2022, was based on the lines running at their observed capacity, and based on the assumption they would not be impacted by supply interruptions at all.

That’s seems reeeeeally naive on Rivian’s part…..
 

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Bottom line? Most reservation holders will be waiting ANOTHER 1-2 years for delivery.

With reservation pricing being reinstated Rivian will lose even MORE money on their trucks since the price of steel, copper wiring harnesses, batteries, tires, seat belts, etc. will continue to rise in 2023-2024.

I will most likely be accepting my XLT Lightning reservation later this year (only 12-15k trucks to be built in 2022) and driving it until I need to make a decision between a Cybertruck or a R1T reservation.

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I realize its preaching to the choir, but we at least should be provided an update on our delivery dates. Based on this evenings CS conversation I had, it sounds like its still on that feature being implemented in our account before we get a date again… and he said that feature will likely be later this year because of the pricing rollback taking priority.
 

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The guy during q&a literally point blank range to RJ asked him how many Amazon delivery vehicles have been made. He did not even come close to answering his question. They would not say what their actual production numbers were for anything. It must be really bad.
Go ahead and dial into an Apple or Microsoft earnings call and ask for the mix of SKUs for a given segment. In the most blockbuster year of all time, Apple won't tell you the mix of Pro/non-Pro iPhones, etc. Not because it's "really bad," but because they are extremely unlikely to share anything they aren't legally obligated to disclose. Among other things, it could set the wrong expectations, tip off competitors, misrepresent future plans, or just not be something they have a reason to share.

This doesn't mean it's a positive sign, but assigning motivations is pure speculation.
 

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Bottom line? Most reservation holders will be waiting ANOTHER 1-2 years for delivery.
While many reservation holders may still have a year or more to wait, Rivian reiterated that their previous estimate of getting through the 2021 and older pre-order backlog by the end of 2023 still stands. So while some late 2022 people may get moved into 2023, that isn't going to push everyone in 2023 back even further. They expect supply constraints to ease enough to allow them to still hit that goal.
 

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Wow. Very disappointing earnings call. They have seemingly **** the bed in every imaginable way.

As both a shareholder (LOL) and a pre-order holder, I'm really starting to wonder wtf they are doing.

This was most shocking:
https://electrek.co/2022/03/10/rivian-q4-results-loses-2-billion-revises-production-25000-evs-2022/



How they hell did they have almost NO ramp in production from Q4 to Q1???
There are three weeks left so add another 450-600 and then you get around 2000 for Q1 which is double Q4. That is an increase.
 

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Go ahead and dial into an Apple or Microsoft earnings call and ask for the mix of SKUs for a given segment. In the most blockbuster year of all time, Apple won't tell you the mix of Pro/non-Pro iPhones, etc. Not because it's "really bad," but because they are extremely unlikely to share anything they aren't legally obligated to disclose. Among other things, it could set the wrong expectations, tip off competitors, misrepresent future plans, or just not be something they have a reason to share.

This doesn't mean it's a positive sign, but assigning motivations is pure speculation.
Exactly. And beyond that, the lawyers cleared exactly which numbers they would and would not be sharing. RJ can't just go off the cuff and share an unaudited figure publicly like that. It's just not how regulated disclosures work.
 

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So what youre saying is their previous guidance of 50,000 vehicles for 2022, was based on the lines running at their observed capacity, and based on the assumption they would not be impacted by supply interruptions at all.

That’s seems reeeeeally naive on Rivian’s part…..
50k in 2022 was never the guidance. The 50k was referenced on the call today as the rate at which they could produce in 2022 if they weren't supply constrained. The guidance from the last earning's call was that the target was to get through all of the pre-orders (55k) by the end of 2023. After being prompted, RJ confirmed again today that they expect to get through all 55k by the end of 2023. I tend to be a pessimist so don't believe him, but that's what they're saying. If they do manage to hit 25k (R1 + RCV) by end of 2022, it wouldn't be unreasonable to reach 55k by the end of 2023.
 

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Go ahead and dial into an Apple or Microsoft earnings call and ask for the mix of SKUs for a given segment. In the most blockbuster year of all time, Apple won't tell you the mix of Pro/non-Pro iPhones, etc. Not because it's "really bad," but because they are extremely unlikely to share anything they aren't legally obligated to disclose. Among other things, it could set the wrong expectations, tip off competitors, misrepresent future plans, or just not be something they have a reason to share.

This doesn't mean it's a positive sign, but assigning motivations is pure speculation.
Your example is not a great analogy. It’s not like pro vs non pro. R1 and Amazon vehicles are two completely separate segments - think of it like sales figures of iPhone vs iPad which apple does report in earnings.
 

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I would also consider, as we Monday morning quarterback this, that these production projection were constructed LONG ago. How long? Dunno. The prices that we all reserved at, prior to 3/1, were set like three years ago. Building up a project/production plan where you are going to be required to forecast into the future, means you are guessing and I would imagine 1 year ago? Maybe longer? I had no idea a year ago that stuff would be hitting the fan at the level it's hitting now.
And someone already pointed this out but, if I am reading this right, in 2.25 months Rivian produced about 25% more vehicles than they did all last year. It's not relief for those of us waiting, but it is an improvement.
Maybe they can figure out a way to build up as many vehicles as they can and figure out a way to ration the chips they have and offer essentially "reduced featured" vehicles for those who would be willing to accept them. NO IDEA if that would even be possible....but if it was, I would accept a reduced function (if safe) vehicle with the promise of plugging in the missing chips when the chips are available. That might not be for everyone, but I'd have a go. :cool:
 
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I wonder if our original delivery dates were based on the 50k estimate, or if it was more conservative when quoting timeframe? I wonder what our updated delivery dates are now......
I am reservation 40,000 or so, placed mid-September, 2021. My email said Oct-Dec ‘22.
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