Tesla Supercharger Membership Pricing Announced For Non-Tesla EV Owners ($0.99/month)

[lefkonj]

I think Tesla opening their network to the standard CCS is a great thing. First it will push adoption of EVs that much faster. Second competition is a very healthy thing. It will push not only EA and Chargepoint but Tesla as well. The more spots the better when you consider there are 145,000 gas stations, we just need more charging spots.

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[SlaterGS]

Well from my prospective 15k miles and over 90 stops at EA without being stranded. Pretty short ‘sighted’ to call that luck.

Anecdotally people can throw around whatever they want but everyone needs to keep in mind geographic location and understand how big of a factor that plays in.
It's like saying the snow we get here in Ohio is "hot garbage" but someone in Colorado claims its amazing.

You are on the west coast with many more EVs and where it seems stations are a lot better maintained with a lot more stalls available which is awesome. Much better infrastructure.
Unfortunately in the midwest where I am, hot garbage is probably the proper term for the places I have tried unless I am in a big city.
If you decide to take a trip out here you will find pockets of the country that even if they have the chargers they are generally not working and it may create some very interesting logistical challenges.

 

[jjswan33]

Anecdotally people can throw around whatever they want but everyone needs to keep in mind geographic location and understand how big of a factor that plays in.
It's like saying the snow we get here in Ohio is "hot garbage" but someone in Colorado claims its amazing.

You are on the west coast with many more EVs and where it seems stations are a lot better maintained with a lot more stalls available which is awesome. Much better infrastructure.
Unfortunately in the midwest where I am, hot garbage is probably the proper term for the places I have tried unless I am in a big city.
If you decide to take a trip out here you will find pockets of the country that even if they have the chargers they are generally not working and it may create some very interesting logistical challenges.

My most recent road trip was to Northern Wisconsin from Oregon. I had no issues with EA chargers in Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota or Wisconsin.

 

[EVTrucking]

Anecdotally people can throw around whatever they want but everyone needs to keep in mind geographic location and understand how big of a factor that plays in.
It's like saying the snow we get here in Ohio is "hot garbage" but someone in Colorado claims its amazing.

You are on the west coast with many more EVs and where it seems stations are a lot better maintained with a lot more stalls available which is awesome. Much better infrastructure.
Unfortunately in the midwest where I am, hot garbage is probably the proper term for the places I have tried unless I am in a big city.
If you decide to take a trip out here you will find pockets of the country that even if they have the chargers they are generally not working and it may create some very interesting logistical challenges.

I completely agree, location and destination determine charging experience. I live in Boise ID and to the east and west of me for long distances there is nothing for charging that one could count on.

 

[SlaterGS]

My most recent road trip was to Northern Wisconsin from Oregon. I had no issues with EA chargers in Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota or Wisconsin.

And I'm happy for you and to hear you've done more than just the west coast, though again back to anecdotes I know you've read bhopkins thread where he had problems in Iowa and Nebraska. ?‍
I'm just saying location can still play a huge role and I'm happy for the extra charger options.
My experience in Ohio/WV/VA has been abysmal. But like someone pointed out I think the market is so tiny right now for EV's in those areas away from large cities that EA just doesn't maintain their network there.

 

[Engi_Nerd]

Sorry, but I just don't see Tesla handing their largest competitive advantage over on a silver platter overnight. I expect them to do the bare minimum to qualify for federal subsidies, rolling out the magic dock adapter to new stations, but very few existing ones, and even then, in small quantities that ensures Tesla owners are prioritized.

 

[RBR1S]

I fully expect to be part of several memberships. I mean it's like gas stations - I don't know ANYONE that only goes to Chevron. They hit Costco and AMPM and Safeway and anywhere else that is cheap.

We haven't gotten there yet with EVs, that's the reality of it. We don't even have charging STATIONS, we have little "oh yeah lets add an EV thingy here" mentality at most things other than Tesla. They are buried in a Walmart parking lot or something. They are after thoughts at best.

We have to grow up on the EV world to change it. When you see them ripping out fuel tanks and putting in charging equipment, things will change. Until then, spend the membership money, charge wherever you can (just like filling up your gas tank), and keep on driving.

 

[jjswan33]

And I'm happy for you and to hear you've done more than just the west coast, though again back to anecdotes I know you've read bhopkins thread where he had problems in Iowa and Nebraska. ?‍
I'm just saying location can still play a huge role and I'm happy for the extra charger options.
My experience in Ohio/WV/VA has been abysmal. But like someone pointed out I think the market is so tiny right now for EV's in those areas away from large cities that EA just doesn't maintain their network there.

Yep I read his post. I know some of his earlier issues were resolved with a hard reset so not charger related. In the other cases yes he encountered some down chargers but others were available and working, just occupied.

Like I said I encounter down/slow EA chargers sometimes, I have had to wait a couple of times when good ones are in use and had to wait.

Yes we can use more charging infrastructure, yes EA could do better maintenance. Again I stand by my statement that IMO 'hot garbage' is not a good description of EA but again if that is what you all think don't use/rely on EA.

 

[Matty J]

We don't know the price per KW so $0.99 could be accurate. They may gouge us on the price per KW...

BTW this functionality is already in the app for me, just no where to charge yet.

PK

Where do you find it in the app?

 

[coshesey]

Where do you find it in the app?

Go into your profile.
I can select the car, ask for Tesla insurance, the Tesla shop and Charge your Non-Tesla
Click the "Charge your Non-Tesla" button and you get a map.

One private lot in LA that I could find.

PK

 

[Dark-Fx]

My experience in Ohio/WV/VA has been abysmal.

Besides the fact that there are no EA stations nor any other 120kW+ stations in WV, we drove across WV in the Hummer just fine, filling up to 100% at the Wytheville VA charger and then stopping at a hotel overnight, continuing on to the EA station in Cambridge OH. (we didn't stop to charge at any of the L3 options in WV, range in the Hummer would have just made it to Cambridge without the hotel L2).
Haven't had issues that resulted in stranding the nearly dozen times I've been in OH since EA opened the first stations on the turnpike outside of Toledo. Sure, there have been stations down and other issues, but have never had to wait in OH and never left unable to charge.

 

[Matty J]

Go into your profile.
I can select the car, ask for Tesla insurance, the Tesla shop and Charge your Non-Tesla
Click the "Charge your Non-Tesla" button and you get a map.

One private lot in LA that I could find.

PK

Got it, thanks. I can see one also in Santa Monica. 12 wall connectors, Lincoln SM. 20 miles away...

 

[Dark-Fx]

Yes we can use more charging infrastructure, yes EA could do better maintenance. Again I stand by my statement that IMO 'hot garbage' is not a good description of EA but again if that is what you all think don't use/rely on EA.

I'm guessing it really just comes down to opinion of what makes or breaks the charging experience for people. I've been a lot more forgiving of stations having issues as long as I was able to actually get a charge somewhere. Having to move twice between stations is definitely frustrating, but it didn't result in being stranded and have always been able to get a charge in a reasonable amount of time.

Having had a CCS vehicle since before EA had any stations going probably made me more tolerant of things not being 100% just plug and go. Our first trip past the battery range of the Bolt was across the state where the literal only option was a 25kW DCFC at a dealership in the middle of the trip. An hour of charging each way to just barely make it. If the single L2 station at our destination hotel was out, it would have presented a huge issue.

 

[jjswan33]

I'm guessing it really just comes down to opinion of what makes or breaks the charging experience for people. I've been a lot more forgiving of stations having issues as long as I was able to actually get a charge somewhere. Having to move twice between stations is definitely frustrating, but it didn't result in being stranded and have always been able to get a charge in a reasonable amount of time.

Having had a CCS vehicle since before EA had any stations going probably made me more tolerant of things not being 100% just plug and go. Our first trip past the battery range of the Bolt was across the state where the literal only option was a 25kW DCFC at a dealership in the middle of the trip. An hour of charging each way to just barely make it. If the single L2 station at our destination hotel was out, it would have presented a huge issue.

I think we are in the same boat here, that is all I am trying to argue here but others have very loose definitions of unreliable or 'hot garbage'. I guess I shouldn't try to bother to dispel the mis-information but it is hard to resist.

Its obvious that a exclusive network that is integrated with the software of the vehicle will be more reliable. I am betting that non-tesla owners on the network will have a less seamless experience and likely pay more for their juice but I guess time will tell.

 

[kylealden]

I hope Tesla owners will get a discount

I hope so too but I kind of doubt it. It wouldn't make any sense to reward Tesla owners for having split loyalties. If anything they want to wrestle this into a perk (see how much more reliable our superchargers are? Come on over, the water is great, and you can cancel your subscription!) while still using it to get those sweet sweet stimmy dollars.

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