When will Rivian admit that avoiding AA/Carplay is not about providing "better" UX?

[Zoidz]

To me, these CarPlay discussions have become like a bad car wreck - I want to drive by and ignore, but dammit I can't help but look.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, so here's mine - short and sweet, hopefully:

Reality - I think Rivian has been pretty clear for yearrs about CP not happening, and why, and it's extremely clear now. Face reality, peeps - buy a Rivian and live with it, or move along to to another brand.

Better UX - I think it's clear that they honestly do want to provide a better UX throughout, end to end. You can't get that with CP. Does CP include drive modes, suspension changes, climate control, etc. etc.? No. So no matter what you argue, CP is and will be a different UI/UX than the rest of the Rivian UI/UX experience. I've been doing Apple since the Apple II. I have done some Mac and IOS development since the Mac Plus came out. Apple has a great UI/UX because they locked it down from day one and enforced it along with documented HIG (Human Interface Guidelines). BUT in IOS, they relaxed some of it, and IOS apps are not that consistent in UX like the old days. I don't want that in the Rivian, I'll take a full end to end product even if it takes a while.

CP UX - I'll argue that the CP UX is not that great. I've used it over the years in dozens of rental cars, and I have it on a Sony retrofit radio in my BMW 330cic. More times than not, I have had freezes, lockups, and other inexplicable crap. The most recent was a 2023 Suburban rental. It was still unreliable and did something goofy every day of the rental.

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[Prius]

I find the anti CarPlay people to be something else.

Actively hoping that Rivian continues to reduce functionality by refusing to add a feature that a large percentage of current and potential owners want, just so they could be proven right. It would literally be an icon on the bottom of the screen if you choose not to use it.

Rivian even admitted it would be easy to add but thinks they can do navigation and UI better than Apple and Google.

 

[COdogman]

I find the anti CarPlay people to be something else.

Actively hoping that Rivian continues to reduce functionality by refusing to add a feature that a large percentage of current and potential owners want, just so they could be proven right. It would literally be an icon on the bottom of the screen if you choose not to use it.

Rivian even admitted it would be easy to add but thinks they can have do navigation and UI better than Apple and Google.

Define “large percentage”. According to GM, they saw no drop in demand for the Blazer EV after the announcement they were dropping CP/AA.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I find the anti CarPlay people to be something else.

Actively hoping that Rivian continues to reduce functionality by refusing to add a feature that a large percentage of current and potential owners want, just so they could be proven right. It would literally be an icon on the bottom of the screen if you choose not to use it.

Rivian even admitted it would be easy to add but thinks they can have do navigation and UI better than Apple and Google.

Who gives a shit. Not me, that's who. Go drive a Prius or something if you want boring cars that are all the same.

 

[Chinna]

I am 10000% in support of NO CarPlay. It’s shit, slow, and a crutch for proper software development.

I’ve said it many times. If you want CarPlay that badly, buy a phone mount to place your phone and use as a separate screen. Or go buy a different car.

This topic is getting fucking old. Move on

No one asking you to use carplay !

 

[hekhl00]

I am 10000% in support of NO CarPlay. It’s shit, slow, and a crutch for proper software development.

I’ve said it many times. If you want CarPlay that badly, buy a phone mount to place your phone and use as a separate screen. Or go buy a different car.

This topic is getting fucking old. Move on

And I’ve said it many times, you don’t have to use CarPlay if Rivian implements it. Many of us want it and mounting a phone in a $90k vehicle is absurd. Don’t like this issue being raised again? Don’t read the forums.

 

[Dark-Fx]

And I’ve said it many times, you don’t have to use CarPlay if Rivian implements it. Many of us want it and mounting a phone in a $90k vehicle is absurd. Don’t like this issue being raised again? Don’t read the forums.

No one is forcing you to buy a vehicle that doesn't have it if it's that important to you. As I've said it many times, expecting your minority opinion to sway Rivian into implementing it is a waste of your time.

 

[Prius]

Who gives a shit. Not me, that's who. Go drive a Prius or something if you want boring cars that are all the same.

Thanks for proving my point. Get some help. It’s just vehicle telematics, nothing to get angry over.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Thanks for proving my point. Get some help. It’s just vehicle telematics, nothing to get angry over.

Absolutely does not prove any point you thought you had.

 

[Prius]

Define “large percentage”. According to GM, they saw no drop in demand for the Blazer EV after the announcement they were dropping CP/AA.

No drop in demand for a car that’s not out yet?

 

[teddyang]

I find the anti CarPlay people to be something else.

Actively hoping that Rivian continues to reduce functionality by refusing to add a feature that a large percentage of current and potential owners want, just so they could be proven right. It would literally be an icon on the bottom of the screen if you choose not to use it.

Rivian even admitted it would be easy to add but thinks they can do navigation and UI better than Apple and Google.

it's technically not reduced functionatliy if it never had it in the first place...

 

[Shzeph]

Here I am, to provide another helpful TL;DR summary of a thread!

 

[teddyang]

should i start a thread demanding that they also work on getting windows 11 to work on the main screen? /s

 

[DuoRivians]

And I’ve said it many times, you don’t have to use CarPlay if Rivian implements it. Many of us want it and mounting a phone in a $90k vehicle is absurd. Don’t like this issue being raised again? Don’t read the forums.

Search how many new posts about CP have been made here in the past month.

Nothing new is said. If you want to bring it up again, reply to those threads so they can be ignored for once and for all. The issue isn’t people talking about it. It’s the constant same posts being made. As said before, if there’s a way to ignore them all automatically, I would.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Search how many new posts about CP have been made here in the past month.

Nothing new is said. If you want to bring it up again, reply to those threads so they can be ignored for once and for all. The issue isn’t people talking about it. It’s the constant same posts being made. As said before, if there’s a way to ignore them all automatically, I would.

The new thing that was said was an admission it would have been easier to implement. I'm glad they went and continue to go the more difficult route. If Rivian went the easy route for everything, their vehicles would not have turned out anywhere near as amazing as they are.

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