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cool. i wonder if Rivian service will be able to calibrate it in some way or if it even needs it. i know folks have been getting recalibrated when they switch wheel sizes but not sure what happens when you keep the same wheel with a different tire.
When I measured the 20 inch factory tires they measured 32 inch in reality just like TFL on youtube stated. You may not have to calibrate at all. Check with a GPS speed app on the iphone and confirm. The cameras will also be blurry as they have to focus on a different height to the ground but if you see a clear camera picture I dont think you need recalibration.
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When I measured the 20 inch factory tires they measured 32 inch in reality just like TFL on youtube stated. You may not have to calibrate at all. Check with a GPS speed app on the iphone and confirm. The cameras will also be blurry as they have to focus on a different height to the ground but if you see a clear camera picture I dont think you need recalibration.
Have you measured 21" and 22" wheels? I bet they're smaller too.

And yes, speedo is off by 3%.
 

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Has anyone on the Reddit board with that one guy who answers Rivian questions regularly asked about wheel size changes?
@Condor @Prime - there’s some… interesting choices made with the overall vehicle architecture as I understand it. They have to individually do a firmware level update across a variety of different modules (think cameras, gps, navigation, speedometer, etc. all with distinct separate hardware controlling them) and failure of any one of those can have some pretty bad consequences if there’s not a tech physically plugged in. I suspect we’ll see this change whenever they do a bigger software update/refresh that includes some improved software architctural stuff.

As for the cost - while I agree it’s steep, it also does take 30 mins of a tech’s time and they are a business that needs to be profitable to stick around. It’s one of the things that just sucks right now, but the tech who did my software update for new wheel size said it’s something she knows they were working on and would be improving in the future. It had already improved from the original way they had to do it of doing a full camera calibration in an SC.

Good news for me is the 22s and 20s are close enough in size that I can swap freely without worrying about messing anything up.
 

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I'm so ready to get my AS+3 back! I can't wait to see what the corrected efficiency will be, but I was getting 2.45mi/kWh doing my ÷1.03 math. This loaner truck with 20" ATs is awful! There's no tonneau so that probably affects it, but a 17% difference is hard to believe... I even aired up the tires this morning.

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I'm so ready to get my AS+3 back! I can't wait to see what the corrected efficiency will be, but I was getting 2.45mi/kWh doing my ÷1.03 math. This loaner truck with 20" ATs is awful! There's no tonneau so that probably affects it, but a 17% difference is hard to believe... I even aired up the tires this morning.

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Consider yourself lucky. I'm at 1.88 mi/kWh average over the life of my truck (5600 mi). I have the third party aero covers which if anything seem to only make efficiency slightly worse. But yeah I can't wait to swap to AS tires. But I'm still considering trying even smaller 275/55/20 kind of just as an experiment.
 

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Just to resurect this thread a bit. Is it fair to say that by finding certain 20" tires, you can reclaim most if not all of the range lost from the 21's? And at the same time, pay as little as $250 for a tire compared to $450 for the 21's?


Edit: It looks like the 20's now come in a $3600 upgrade package, so in theory, you'd need to go through 4 sets of tires to break even. But pre-price-hike, the upcharge comes to only be $1500, so you come out ahead in 2 sets. (120k and 60k miles respectfully).
 
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Is it fair to say that by finding certain 20" tires, you can reclaim most if not all of the range lost from the 21's? And at the same time, pay as little as $250 for a tire compared to $450 for the 21's?
As little as $240, but yes.

It looks like the 20's now come in a $3600 upgrade package, so in theory, you'd need to go through 4 sets of tires to break even. But pre-price-hike, the upcharge comes to only be $1500, so you come out ahead in 2 sets. (120k and 60k miles respectfully).
That seems to math. But don't discount aftermarket wheels! Some sponsors here sell 20" sets for $2k, and you can get yourself a set of Ram wheels done for less than $1k.
 

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As little as $240, but yes.



That seems to math. But don't discount aftermarket wheels! Some sponsors here sell 20" sets for $2k, and you can get yourself a set of Ram wheels done for less than $1k.
Well geez, why the hell wouldn't you go with 20's if you wanted max range and lowest tire cost???
 

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Well geez, why the hell wouldn't you go with 20's if you wanted max range and lowest tire cost???
This is exactly what I came around to realizing before locking in my launch edition with free 20" wheels from the shop a few months ago. No better value.

And I really can't wait to switch to road tires to see the difference in range. I've already blasted through almost half the useable tread on my ATs in 6000mi. So I decided to just wait til I use these up. Complicated slightly by getting a full size spare (in service now), so I'll most likely get 5 tires when I change, and end up with an extra brand new AT tire to sell.
 

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Are you talking 20" aero inserts? If so, that's a touchy subject... but I'm happy to sell mine to you!
Yeah it's unclear but I assumed they meant 20" wheels with 275/60/20 AS tires vs stock 21" with aeros.

From what I can tell from this entire thread, the efficiency seems to be pretty close between the two.

And yeah, I just took off my aftermarket 20" aeros when dropping my truck at the service center and plan on probably returning them.
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