? Official EPA Range and MPGe Numbers for R1T & R1S

[Brian M]

Nearest EV competitor is a Model X when looking at the R1S. Many pre-order folks considered both these cars. I have an X and am getting a R1S.

Are you replacing your model X or is the R1S an addition?

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[lg3103]

If you can afford a $80k+ vehicle the $10 difference up or down for refueling (electric or gas) is not a deciding factor for you. 12,500 miles a year is probably 50-60 charges for a Rivian. If I save $10 or pay an extra $10 that’s only $500-600 per year…not much compared to the price of the Rivian.

 

[SeaGeo]

As I said before iam not too surprised at all about its efficiency, it is after all a traditional looking SUV. Not disappointed, I wish it was better though.

I think you're getting caught in the cross hairs of having several people who seem surprised by the energy consumption of it when compared to things that are much smaller. Basically people not acknowledging the basic physics of a much bigger vehicle.

Very few people on here will fault you (or others) for criss shopping. In fact there are threads about that, and people deciding to jump to the lightning or other cars because if the delays.

That being said, regarding your comparison shopping. Personally I'll be surprised if a XC90 does much better than the R1S in efficiency. If any. I own an xc60 T8 and really love it, but their designs (including the xc40) do not seem to be particularly efficient for their size.

I'm looking at the Lyriq for my wife as well as a potential alternative to the R1S. Being 2WD only initial is a deal breaker for her. And the overall package if the Rivian (better performance, larger, etc) results in a more intriguing package for us.

 

[SeaGeo]

If you can afford a $80k+ vehicle the $10 difference up or down for refueling (electric or gas) is not a deciding factor for you. 12,500 miles a year is probably 50-60 charges for a Rivian. If I save $10 or pay an extra $10 that’s only $500-600 per year…not much compared to the price of the Rivian.

There's still a potential environmental cost associated with most people's energy that they may be concerned about. At the end of the day it may just mean the folks need to stick to smaller vehicles. Which is ok.

 

[Zeroemit]

I think you're getting caught in the cross hairs of having several people who seem surprised by the energy consumption of it when compared to things that are much smaller. Basically people not acknowledging the basic physics of a much bigger vehicle.

Very few people on here will fault you (or others) for criss shopping. In fact there are threads about that, and people deciding to jump to the lightning or other cars because if the delays.

That being said, regarding your comparison shopping. Personally I'll be surprised if a XC90 does much better than the R1S in efficiency. If any. I own an xc60 T8 and really love it, but their designs (including the xc40) do not seem to be particularly efficient for their size.

I'm looking at the Lyriq for my wife as well as a potential alternative to the R1S. Being 2WD only initial is a deal breaker for her. And the overall package if the Rivian (better performance, larger, etc) results in a more intriguing package for us.

I was never comparing it to a xc40. I was comparing it to relatively similar size vehicles - Lyriq, Tesla X, XC90 EV (which has not been revealed, but assuming similar stats to Lyriq). I too am just looking for overall package, efficiency, design, roominess, pros and cons of a new manufacturer v legacy brand...etc. I was just commenting on one aspect of the Rivian, which is a con from my perspective- albeit not a big one.

Yes, you are right about efficiency, Rivian v XC90 T8, in pure electric mode. Rivian is better but not by much.

 

[Brian M]

It’s more the AT tires than the wheels themselves. If you put low rolling resistance tires on a set of 20s I guarantee you’ll see similar number to the 21s.

Another consideration is rolling weight. I put on light weight 20" forged aluminum wheels on my Tesla model 3 and get almost the same range as the stock steel 18" rims that are narrower. My 20" rims weigh the same as the steel 18" rims, 23lbs.

 

[guernsej]

I didn't realize that comparison shopping between vehicles, weighing pros and cons, between each are considered "complaints"

This thread is beginning to remind me of discussions on Tesla forums, where everything that can be considered a negative aspect is met with scorn. Hence, the moniker- Tesla fanboy, Elon cult...

As a prospective Rivian owner i certainly hope we don't have - Rivian fanboys, RJ Cult members in the making.

Nothing wrong with cross shopping whatever vehicles you're interested in. Just commenting it seems unreasonable to want or expect the R1T/S, a truck designed to go off road and an SUV spinoff based on the same, to compete favorably against smaller, lighter, more aerodynamic vehicles that don't, regardless of intent to actually use it off road.

 

[Zeroemit]

Nothing wrong with cross shopping whatever vehicles you're interested in. Just commenting it seems unreasonable to want or expect the R1T/S, a truck designed to go off road and an SUV spinoff based on the same, to compete favorably against smaller, lighter, more aerodynamic vehicles that don't, regardless of intent to actually use it off road.

Well then i guess the estimated 80% of people who compared shopping a 4runner to a Pathfinder, Honda Pilot... and said to themselves - hmmm, this one had a bit better mpg, that's one check, let me check on other aspects.... is considered unreasonable.

The difference in length between Lyriq,X and R1S is 6" at most. Hardly smaller, aerodynamic yes.

You are entitled to your opinion. Just realize they are just yours though.

 

[guernsej]

Well then i guess the estimated 80% of people who compared shopping a 4runner to a Pathfinder, Honda Pilot... and said to themselves - hmmm, this one had a bit better mpg, that's one check, let me check on other aspects.... is considered unreasonable.

You are entitled to your opinion. Just realize they are just yours though.

Not at all, but if you go on a 4runner forum and start posting about mpg vs a Honda Pilot because most owners don't actually go off road they're going to tell you to go away. Try it.

 

[Hilbe]

Are you replacing your model X or is the R1S an addition?

TBD. I’ve got a 5 month old Model 3 Performance that won’t fit everyone now. I’m debating getting a Model S P100D with jump seats (7 seat) used. Then possibly replace the X with the R1S. I’ve got a unicorn Model X - FSD with free supercharging for life, free premium connectivity for life. It’ll be tough to give up especially when the R1S will be a big energy user on the road and the X travels for free.

 

[DucRider]

The ride height will definitely help,

Switching to a 275/60 will reduce height 1/2" - tire is ~1" bigger in diameter and only half of that is below the axle.
However, the Rivian will have about 8" of adjustable suspension height and I am certain that Rivian will have that dialed in for the most efficient height at speed. It will likely default to that and require the user to overide it if they want a different height for some reason.

 

[DucRider]

I'm a bit confused by any efficiency surprise a Rivian has always said 300+ miles on a ~135 kWh pack on the 21s and the other wheel/tire option providing less (with the 20s yielding the lowest range).

I guess it didn't really sink in until the actual numbers were out?

 

[SeaGeo]

I was never comparing it to a xc40. I was comparing it to relatively similar size vehicles - Lyriq, Tesla X, XC90 EV (which has not been revealed, but assuming similar stats to Lyriq). I too am just looking for overall package, efficiency, design, roominess, pros and cons of a new manufacturer v legacy brand...etc. I was just commenting on one aspect of the Rivian, which is a con from my perspective- albeit not a big one.

Yes, you are right about efficiency, Rivian v XC90 T8, in pure electric mode. Rivian is better but not by much.

My point with regards to the XC40 Recharge is that the Recharge is not significantly more efficient than the Rivian, *despite* being a lot smaller. Which in my mind doesn't bode well for the XC90 if you're hoping for the XC90 to be a lot more efficient than the R1S.

The R1S is is a fair amount larger than those 3 cars (both in physical dimensions and shape for the X). The Lyriq is several inches narrower and roughly a foot shorter than the R1S. Same with the XC90. I was actually pretty surprised by the size difference when I saw this set of photos.
https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/real-rivian-photos-videos.885/post-49855

Just depends on what you need/want from the vehicle obviously.

 

[Zeroemit]

Not at all, but if you go on a 4runner forum and start posting about mpg vs a Honda Pilot because most owners don't actually go off road they're going to tell you to go away. Try it.

Yes, and hence the moniker - fanboy, Tesla Cult .

However, i don't really see 4Runner owners who are enamoured with their trucks like Tesla owners.... and maybe, looks like Rivian owners now.

 

[SeaGeo]

Switching to a 275/60 will reduce height 1/2" - tire is ~1" bigger in diameter and only half of that is below the axle.
However, the Rivian will have about 8" of adjustable suspension height and I am certain that Rivian will have that dialed in for the most efficient height at speed. It will likely default to that and require the user to overide it if they want a different height for some reason.

Yeah, I misread his post originally and was thinking about the suspension impacts for aero and not the tire size.

Agreed, I expect the same. It's not clear to me that the EPA values (other than the different fudge factor) account for the different ride heights though. Any thoughts?

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