Well, it looks like your skills are better than our guy, who helps us with Photoshop from time to time![]()
Satin/Black 20s photoshopped on a black 25 ?
We just finished the range test in cold weather, it was 23F-32F during the test. The results are pretty good.
We were comparing:
20” OEM + Factory Pirelli
20” [AW10] + Factory Pirelli
20” [AW10] + Michelin Defender LTX M/S2.
The factory set showed the worst efficiency, while 20” [AW10] + Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 showed the best numbers.
We will post the numbers a bit later, but what is mind-blowing is the weight difference…
The factory wheel is 13.5 lbs heavier than 20” [AW10] + Michelin Defender LTX M/S2…
There are two main considerations with wheel related range:Hi,
With the demise of the 21" rim and lack of tire options I need to find an alternative that retains the range on my R1S dual max pack w/ 21's. I see a comment on the AW10 website that implies the 22" rim will see improved range over the 21's. Is there a reasonable comparison to the 20" rim w/ 275/60/20 to the OEM 21's? There is a lot of great info in this thread, but teasing out detailed answers to my questions has been difficult.
My first priority is to meet (or beat) my current range (400miles advertised), while understanding any other disadvantage or regressions to my current setup. Second priority be able to put snow tires on in the winter, but would want to understand the range impact to all season tires.
Obviously the 20's + 275/60/20 would save me from reprogramming, but if the 22's address both priorities with no downsides, then I wouldn't consider that a dealbreaker.
Thanks.
There are two main considerations with wheel related range:
1. Tire rolling resistance, and
2. Wheel aerodynamics.
Some in this forum put a lot of emphasis on wheel weight, but in reality it has a minor impact. Especially on the highway when range is most important.
Anyway, if you want to improve range over your 21s, it is going to be very hard IMO. That is a great combination that Rivian designed to be the most efficient.
I think if you find a aerodynamic 20 rim and tire that is designed for low rolling resistance you could potentially do better. I do not think the new 22 areos are better than the old 21s. IMO they are equivalent, and the difference (positive or negative) is negligible. So the real efficiency improvements in the G2s are related to the powertrain and climate control. If you compare the G1 Max with the G2 Max the improvement is only 10 miles. That make sense.
If I were you, I would find a low rolling resistance 20 and a good areo rim. You will likely improve ride quality and without impacting range. If you are lucky, range will be better.
I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.We are developing a new design that will be very aerodynamically efficient.
In the test it looks like the 21" areo covers were missing. At a steady state highway speed, that will make a difference.We agree that at a constant speed, the weight of the wheel is less important compared to during acceleration or deceleration. We are developing a new design that will be very aerodynamically efficient. However, when we tested the AW10 22” vs. the 21” OEM, we observed an improvement of around 3%.
https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...-tests-on-at-and-road-tires.23576/post-510610
Yes, I agree. To make the test as scientific as possible, identical tires are needed. Multiple runs should be conducted for each setup to determine the deviation and average. Some tests on YouTube show results with and without aero covers. The results are sometimes very noticeable and sometimes within 1%. Maybe it’s for the same reason that the tests are not accurate enough.In the test it looks like the 21" areo covers were missing. At a steady state highway speed, that will make a difference.
I am surprised at the result. IMO the length of the test was not sufficient. I have done back-to-back tests before and gotten different results even with the same setup. You did a good job trying to match the tests as closely as possible but there are just too many variables such as wind speed, temperature of the road, etc.
Physics is physics, and aerodynamics are very important. There is a reason the most efficient wheels have areo covers. It is not for appearance.
Of course, rolling resistance is also very important. It is possible the rolling resistance of the tire offset the aerodynamic losses due to the rims. The best approach would be to put the same tires on each rim and do multiple tests for a much longer distance. And the areo covers should be on the OEM rims to be a fair test.