20" Inch Affordable high efficiency 20" wheels and 33" tires options (275/60R20)

[B Digs]

I put in my 2023 R1S 20” on the Goodyear website and it’s saying it won’t fit my car?

Hi Jim4, it is not the OEM size for Gen 1, but it will fit on the vehicle.

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[DB-EV]

Yes, the new Goodyear tire is more efficient than the Gen 1 20" AT tire.

Thank you appreciate it

 

[aznkukuboi]

Wonder how many miles we can get out of the new Wrangler territory. I'm guessing 20k? General grabber is cheaper, but probably not close to being as good.

 

[ksurfier]

Wonder how many miles we can get out of the new Wrangler territory. I'm guessing 20k? General grabber is cheaper, but probably not close to being as good.

Based on reviews, I would guess treadwear will be poor...
Max of 20k and more likely ~15k...

 

[B Digs]

Based on reviews, I would guess treadwear will be poor...
Max of 20k and more likely ~15k...

The Goodyear Territory AT for the Rivian is a brand new design. Any reviews would be for a different tire, designed for a different vehicle. Treadwear was a consideration of the tire design, balancing tradeoffs for efficiency and other performance goals. Typical of an OE tire, there is no treadwear warranty on the Rivian tire.

When it comes to consumer reviews, the feedback often comes from non-expert opinions. These reviews are usually based on personal experiences and perceptions rather than scientific testing.

 

[strykerwsu]

The Goodyear Territory AT for the Rivian is a brand new design. Any reviews would be for a different tire, designed for a different vehicle. Treadwear was a consideration of the tire design, balancing tradeoffs for efficiency and other performance goals. Typical of an OE tire, there is no treadwear warranty on the Rivian tire.

When it comes to consumer reviews, the feedback often comes from non-expert opinions. These reviews are usually based on personal experiences and perceptions rather than scientific testing.

I appreciate the work you've done. I have had mostly great experiences with Goodyear. However it seems that Goodyear never does well with online reviews.

I will say the Bronco Sasquatch tires are great (econ, offroad, sound) except for trying to kill anyone behind your or the side of truck when going down a gravel road.

Look forward to hearing forum reviews once members have them.

 

[ksurfier]

The Goodyear Territory AT for the Rivian is a brand new design. Any reviews would be for a different tire, designed for a different vehicle. Treadwear was a consideration of the tire design, balancing tradeoffs for efficiency and other performance goals. Typical of an OE tire, there is no treadwear warranty on the Rivian tire.

When it comes to consumer reviews, the feedback often comes from non-expert opinions. These reviews are usually based on personal experiences and perceptions rather than scientific testing.

Thanks for adding this, good to recognize that consumer reviews don't always have the most relevance (specially if non-EV use).

Question, all things being equal (same similar compounds), a tire with UTQG of 800 BA (BA) vs 600 AB (AB), would it be safe to say that there are three key aspects that suggest BA should have better tread wear?
>800 v 600 - It performed better on a physical test around a track.
>B-Friction is less along with lower g-force, may suggest harder tire compound and longer wear.
>A-Temperature dissipation, a tire with better heat dissipation would also wear slower.

 

[Firocity]

Will we be able to get our R1s recalibrated for the Goodyear Territory AT tires?

 

[B Digs]

Thanks for adding this, good to recognize that consumer reviews don't always have the most relevance (specially if non-EV use).

Question, all things being equal (same similar compounds), a tire with UTQG of 800 BA (BA) vs 600 AB (AB), would it be safe to say that there are three key aspects that suggest BA should have better tread wear?
>800 v 600 - It performed better on a physical test around a track.
>B-Friction is less along with lower g-force, may suggest harder tire compound and longer wear.
>A-Temperature dissipation, a tire with better heat dissipation would also wear slower.

Yes, your understanding is generally correct. The Uniform Tire Quality Grading (UTQG) system is designed to provide consumers with information to aid in the selection of tires. It measures three key aspects: treadwear, traction, and temperature resistance. However, it’s important to note that these ratings are provided by the manufacturers themselves and can vary between brands. Also, while the UTQG system can be a useful guide, it’s not the only factor to consider when choosing tires. Other factors such as driving conditions, driving habits, and tire maintenance can also significantly impact tire performance and longevity.

1. Treadwear (800 vs 600): The treadwear grade is a comparative rating based on the wear rate of the tire when tested under controlled conditions. The UTQG treadwear test is run on public roads, not a track, and it isn’t run on every tire. Our Rivian tire did not run that test.
2. Traction (B vs A): The traction grades, from highest to lowest, are AA, A, B, and C. They represent the tire’s ability to stop on wet pavement as measured under controlled conditions on specified government test surfaces of asphalt and concrete. A tire with a B rating might have less traction, which could suggest a harder compound and potentially longer wear.
3. Temperature (A vs B): The temperature grades are A (the highest), B, and C, representing the tire’s resistance to the generation of heat and its ability to dissipate heat when tested under controlled conditions on a specified indoor laboratory test wheel. A tire with an A rating dissipates heat better, which could potentially slow down wear.

 

[B Digs]

Will we be able to get our R1s recalibrated for the Goodyear Territory AT tires?

Hopefully, at some point.

 

[danruss]

Love all the info in this thread!

Is it safe to say that the towing MPK will be linear when comparing the performance of some of these high MPK tires like the General Grabber HTS60 and Goodyear Territory AT? Anyone have real world trailer towing experience with these two tires?

I'm getting 1.05 MPK towing the 'SS Fairweather', a 4500 lb 21' center console, on the OEM 20" AT w/ '23 R1T Performance Dual Motor Max Pack which equates to ~ 50% range hit. This is over 805 miles w/ highway speeds at or below 65 MPH.

Getting 1.2-1.25 MPK would be a huge win for towing!

 

[Supratachophobia]

Ok, real talk time. Rivian now has essentially 3 OEM tire options. (Let's just assume for arguments sake the 20" AS is actually an AS and not an AT like the tire says.)

20" AS / 20" AT / 22" AS

On the standard pack, the difference in range between the 22" AS and 20" AS is 12 miles, 270 vs. 258. You can't get the AT.

On the large pack, the difference in range between the 22" AS and the 20" AT is 50 miles, 330 vs. 270. You can't get the AS.

On the max pack, the difference in range between the 22" AS and the 20" AT is 40 miles, 410 vs. 370. You can't get the AS.

Questions:
Why less of a range hit for max pack on 20" AT?
Why no 20" AS on max pack?
Why only a rounding error of difference between the ugly 22" aero and the sexy 22 brights?

I'm trying to figure out where the sweet spot is for future tire cost vs. range. I'm doing 25k miles per year, so tire cost is a real thing for me, and others. Basic math says the 22" tires are 2x as much money as the 20" ($600 vs $300).

Interesting side note, if you throw the 20" AS on the max pack, you'll end up with 390 miles of range. And if you throw on actual AS tires, according to all of you pioneering on this thread, you get back into the 400's.

Ask that to say, maybe the higher initial cost of the 20" AT is worth it because you still unlock the ability for a give amount of options, including some very efficient ones. Unless there's something I'm missing with regards to performance, the 22" is trying to get by on looks alone. And they do look so good.....

 

[ksurfier]

Ok, real talk time. Rivian now has essentially 3 OEM tire options. (Let's just assume for arguments sake the 20" AS is actually an AS and not an AT like the tire says.)

20" AS / 20" AT / 22" AS

On the standard pack, the difference in range between the 22" AS and 20" AS is 12 miles, 270 vs. 258. You can't get the AT.

On the large pack, the difference in range between the 22" AS and the 20" AT is 50 miles, 330 vs. 270. You can't get the AS.

On the max pack, the difference in range between the 22" AS and the 20" AT is 40 miles, 410 vs. 370. You can't get the AS.

Questions:
Why less of a range hit for max pack on 20" AT?
Why no 20" AS on max pack?
Why only a rounding error of difference between the ugly 22" aero and the sexy 22 brights?

I'm trying to figure out where the sweet spot is for future tire cost vs. range. I'm doing 25k miles per year, so tire cost is a real thing for me, and others. Basic math says the 22" tires are 2x as much money as the 20" ($600 vs $300).

Interesting side note, if you throw the 20" AS on the max pack, you'll end up with 390 miles of range. And if you throw on actual AS tires, according to all of you pioneering on this thread, you get back into the 400's.

Ask that to say, maybe the higher initial cost of the 20" AT is worth it because you still unlock the ability for a give amount of options, including some very efficient ones. Unless there's something I'm missing with regards to performance, the 22" is trying to get by on looks alone. And they do look so good.....

I'm honestly pretty lost now with Gen2, the MPKs are very different...so now we get to take confusing info/data and convolute it even further...For Gen1, there are 2-3 tires-20" (maybe more) that can get you into 21" efficiency range and are ~$200-$300 each.

If you want a tire that will last, your best bet is ~10-15% range hit..

So the major considerations are:
A - Tire cost (per mile)
B - MPK, electricity cost (per mile)
C - Range (total miles)

Example 1:
21" tires, ~20,000 miles. ~$2,000 (so $0.10 per mile).
2.4 MPK, $0.25/kwh, $2,500 for 25,000 miles (so $0.10 per mile).
Range is ~315 miles.
Annual Cost for 25,000 miles: $5,000

Example 2:
20" tires (275/60R20), ~20,000 miles. ~$1,200 (so $0.06 per mile).
2.3 MPK, $0.25/kwh, $2,750 for 25,000 miles (so $0.11 per mile).
Range is ~290 miles.
Annual Cost for 25,000 miles: $4,250

Example 3:
20" tires (275/65R20), ~30,000 miles. ~$2,000 (so $0.07 per mile).
2.0 MPK, $0.25/kwh, $2,500 for 25,000 miles (so $0.13 per mile).
Range is ~260 miles.
Annual Cost for 25,000 miles: $5,000

For me, example 2 is what I find works best, can save ~$60 per month, but need to get new tires every ~10 months or so...if 25k miles per year....

For Gen2, it looks like MPK has improved by right around 25%:
With 20" ATs, the 370 mile range Dual Max gets 2.6 MPK (this could be ~2.8-2.9 with lightweight 20" 275/60R20 tires).
With 22" Range, MPK is right about 2.9 (slightly better than the 20" AS ~2.8 MPK).

I suspect that the General Grabber HTS60 will still outperform the 22" options, or at least be about the same efficiency (~3 MPK).

 

[danruss]

When sizing down from the stock 20" size 275/65R20 to 275/60R20, do you need to do an alignment?

 

[ksurfier]

When sizing down from the stock 20" size 275/65R20 to 275/60R20, do you need to do an alignment?

I did not

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