What shoud l buy R1S, Hummer SUV or Gravity Update: R1S Tri motor ordered

[Donald Stanfield]

I'm back after a long break to get some advice. I own a '22 R1T, and it has been great. I have close to 40K on it and have only had occasional minor issues with it, like a broken cup holder and loose trim. However, with my son getting older and having to transport him and our two large dogs simultaneously, it is becoming increasingly crowded and, more importantly, unsafe, with them all crammed in the back.

If I do go the Rivian route, I will probably get the tri-motor. I wouldn't want to feel like I was stepping down from my R1T regarding interior quality. My truck has the Meridian sound, and it was before they removed all the extra wood trim that looks also to be included on the Ascend trim. I also like the brown wood with the black interior. I would avoid the quad, however, as I feel it will eat tires, and after burning off my set of 21's in 16K miles, I'm not eager to repeat that. I bought the 22s and Michelin Defenders, and they are much more solid tires.

Despite my initial reservations, I test-drove a Hummer SUV and was surprised to find it a viable option. This unexpected turn has added another layer to my decision-making process. The HEV is exaggerated and impractical, making it fun and unique. The rear-wheel steering makes the HEV better in parking lots than the Rivian is. I was amazed by how much of a difference it makes in low-speed maneuvers. The things that worry me about Hummer are the inefficiency and size of the battery pack and how that would factor into long trips. I take at least one 2K mile road trip a year. My R1T has done 3 so far, and I would like something better regarding range and charging. I know the Hummer charges fast, but it isn't very efficient, and I would worry that the much larger battery would take significantly longer to charge while going around the same distance, adding time to my already long trips. On paper the Hummer is a better road tripper than my gen 1 R1 but I'm not sure if it would be in actuality.

That brings me to my last possible contender, the Lucid Gravity. This one isn't very likely as I still don't know all the specs. It looks like a minivan, and I'm still not convinced of Lucid making it as an auto manufacturer. I am only mentioning it as what is out on it so far promises a roomy vehicle with superior driving dynamics to either of the other two options. Lucid also has an 800V charging system, which is a massive bonus for road trips. However, the fact that Lucid is still a boutique automaker and buying one would probably be the riskiest of the three adds a layer of complexity to my decision-making process.

As far as servicing goes I don't know which would be better the Rivian or the HEV. The Hummer can be serviced at the dealer, and I have a good local dealer, but the forum is populated with service horror stories. The same stories are frequent here but contrast directly with my personal experience. The Atlanta service center and the Nashville remote center are full of competent mechanics, and the service at my house is even better than that of the dealer. Lucid here is probably the worst because they have fewer resources than the other companies.

Emotionally, the HEV speaks to me most. I liked driving it. I felt very cool driving it. I am not usually one for the jacked-up bro dozer aesthetic, but the Hummer feels so over the top that it gives me more cartoon truck vibes. I do worry about its downsides, being comically huge is a double edged sword. While it is fun to drive I could see a possibility of regretting that choice.

I know most of the people here are going to be Rivian-biased, but what does everyone else think?

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[Dark-Fx]

Hummer is definitely less efficient than the R1S, but it still charges similarly as long as you're at a 350kW station. Lucid obviously wins here by a mile against both vehicles. I've never driven one, so can't really comment on how they are in comparison. Range between charging stops is likely slightly better on the R1S if you are getting a max pack.

I'm assuming the HEV you drove had street tires on it vs the extreme off-road setup? The lack of anti-sway was probably the biggest thing I didn't care for on my ED1 pickup. Aggressive driving had way too much body roll. I've got a Sierra EV now, and while I still like my R1T better as a daily driver, it's more comfortable to drive and has quite a bit better range than my R1T. Especially while towing.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Yes, the HEV had the 22's on it. I don't go off-pavement, so I wouldn't be looking for any of that stuff. I do agree the HEV drives like a big truck/van with the body roll. I was able to drive at my usual speed but the handling is inferior to my Rivian. That would have been a deal breaker for me a year ago, but since we have taken delivery of my wife's i4M50. In comparison, even my R1 feels like a brick. If I want to race around I'll switch vehicles with my wife for the day.

I took a 2-hour test drive of the HEV, and the dealer let me drive it home to see if it fit in my garage. When I returned, I had already felt used to the driving dynamics. It is hard to say if I would eventually regret the HEV's lumbering manners once the novelty of driving a monster sized vehicle wore off.

The Sierra looks really cool, but I'd be having the same problem with that as I do with my R1.

 

[blacknight]

I'm back after a long break to get some advice. I own a '22 R1T, and it has been great. I have close to 40K on it and have only had occasional minor issues with it, like a broken cup holder and loose trim. However, with my son getting older and having to transport him and our two large dogs simultaneously, it is becoming increasingly crowded and, more importantly, unsafe, with them all crammed in the back.

If I do go the Rivian route, I will probably get the tri-motor. I wouldn't want to feel like I was stepping down from my R1T regarding interior quality. My truck has the Meridian sound, and it was before they removed all the extra wood trim that looks also to be included on the Ascend trim. I also like the brown wood with the black interior. I would avoid the quad, however, as I feel it will eat tires, and after burning off my set of 21's in 16K miles, I'm not eager to repeat that. I bought the 22s and Michelin Defenders, and they are much more solid tires.

Despite my initial reservations, I test-drove a Hummer SUV and was surprised to find it a viable option. This unexpected turn has added another layer to my decision-making process. The HEV is exaggerated and impractical, making it fun and unique. The rear-wheel steering makes the HEV better in parking lots than the Rivian is. I was amazed by how much of a difference it makes in low-speed maneuvers. The things that worry me about Hummer are the inefficiency and size of the battery pack and how that would factor into long trips. I take at least one 2K mile road trip a year. My R1T has done 3 so far, and I would like something better regarding range and charging. I know the Hummer charges fast, but it isn't very efficient, and I would worry that the much larger battery would take significantly longer to charge while going around the same distance, adding time to my already long trips. On paper the Hummer is a better road tripper than my gen 1 R1 but I'm not sure if it would be in actuality.

That brings me to my last possible contender, the Lucid Gravity. This one isn't very likely as I still don't know all the specs. It looks like a minivan, and I'm still not convinced of Lucid making it as an auto manufacturer. I am only mentioning it as what is out on it so far promises a roomy vehicle with superior driving dynamics to either of the other two options. Lucid also has an 800V charging system, which is a massive bonus for road trips. However, the fact that Lucid is still a boutique automaker and buying one would probably be the riskiest of the three adds a layer of complexity to my decision-making process.

As far as servicing goes I don't know which would be better the Rivian or the HEV. The Hummer can be serviced at the dealer, and I have a good local dealer, but the forum is populated with service horror stories. The same stories are frequent here but contrast directly with my personal experience. The Atlanta service center and the Nashville remote center are full of competent mechanics, and the service at my house is even better than that of the dealer. Lucid here is probably the worst because they have fewer resources than the other companies.

Emotionally, the HEV speaks to me most. I liked driving it. I felt very cool driving it. I am not usually one for the jacked-up bro dozer aesthetic, but the Hummer feels so over the top that it gives me more cartoon truck vibes. I do worry about its downsides, being comically huge is a double edged sword. While it is fun to drive I could see a possibility of regretting that choice.

I know most of the people here are going to be Rivian-biased, but what does everyone else think?

I test drove the HEV and found the interior felt a bit cramped by comparison to the Rivian. Also, the HEV is only rated at around 1.5 miles per kWh, which is just awful. I think EV makers like Hummer and Chevy try to make up for lack of efficiency and quality by shoving a massive battery pack to brute force their stats higher

If road trips are your main concern, then the Gravity wins hands down; otherwise, Rivian would win for me, but that's just my 2 cents.

 

[VC_Rivian]

I agree with you on the Lucid it looks like a van. I would say the RIS, then the Hummer. It's all up to which one you feel is better and you like more.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I test drove the HEV and found the interior felt a bit cramped by comparison to the Rivian. Also, the HEV is only rated at around 1.5 miles per kWh, which is just awful. I think EV makers like Hummer and Chevy try to make up for lack of efficiency and quality by shoving a massive battery pack to brute force their stats higher

If road trips are your main concern, then the Gravity wins hands down; otherwise, Rivian would win for me, but that's just my 2 cents.

You test drove the truck or the SUV Hummer? I have never sat in an R1S, but one of the things I liked about the Hummer SUV was how big it felt inside compared to my R1T. I think I might want to have a seat in an R1S.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I agree with you on the Lucid it looks like a van. I would say the RIS, then the Hummer. It's all up to which one you feel is better and you like more.

I feel like that's two different answers between which is better and I like more. I like the Hummer more, but that's not having owned it. The Rivian has much better software; I seen my T turn into a completely different vehicle over the 2 years I've owned it. The thing that worries me is the novelty wearing off and missing the daily livability of Rivian.

 

[blacknight]

You test drove the truck or the SUV Hummer? I have never sat in an R1S, but one of the things I liked about the Hummer SUV was how big it felt inside compared to my R1T. I think I might want to have a seat in an R1S.

It was the truck, as I wanted to keep it apples to apples in my comparison. I've looked at and compared the following EV trucks: Ford Lightning, Chevy Silverado, Cybertruck, Hummer and Rivian. I also looked at the RAM (both the REV 1500 and Ramcharger), but I crossed that off after looking at the advertised numbers.
I made a spreadsheet and weighed each category by importance to my Wife and I

 

[Donald Stanfield]

It was the truck, as I wanted to keep it apples to apples in my comparison. I've looked at and compared the following EV trucks: Ford Lightning, Chevy Silverado, Cybertruck, Hummer and Rivian. I also looked at the RAM (both the REV 1500 and Ramcharger), but I crossed that off after looking at the advertised numbers.
I made a spreadsheet and weighed each category by importance to my Wife and I

Would you happen to have that spreadsheet? I'd love to take a look at it for designing my own.

 

[DB-EV]

I'm back after a long break to get some advice. I own a '22 R1T, and it has been great. I have close to 40K on it and have only had occasional minor issues with it, like a broken cup holder and loose trim. However, with my son getting older and having to transport him and our two large dogs simultaneously, it is becoming increasingly crowded and, more importantly, unsafe, with them all crammed in the back.

If I do go the Rivian route, I will probably get the tri-motor. I wouldn't want to feel like I was stepping down from my R1T regarding interior quality. My truck has the Meridian sound, and it was before they removed all the extra wood trim that looks also to be included on the Ascend trim. I also like the brown wood with the black interior. I would avoid the quad, however, as I feel it will eat tires, and after burning off my set of 21's in 16K miles, I'm not eager to repeat that. I bought the 22s and Michelin Defenders, and they are much more solid tires.

Despite my initial reservations, I test-drove a Hummer SUV and was surprised to find it a viable option. This unexpected turn has added another layer to my decision-making process. The HEV is exaggerated and impractical, making it fun and unique. The rear-wheel steering makes the HEV better in parking lots than the Rivian is. I was amazed by how much of a difference it makes in low-speed maneuvers. The things that worry me about Hummer are the inefficiency and size of the battery pack and how that would factor into long trips. I take at least one 2K mile road trip a year. My R1T has done 3 so far, and I would like something better regarding range and charging. I know the Hummer charges fast, but it isn't very efficient, and I would worry that the much larger battery would take significantly longer to charge while going around the same distance, adding time to my already long trips. On paper the Hummer is a better road tripper than my gen 1 R1 but I'm not sure if it would be in actuality.

That brings me to my last possible contender, the Lucid Gravity. This one isn't very likely as I still don't know all the specs. It looks like a minivan, and I'm still not convinced of Lucid making it as an auto manufacturer. I am only mentioning it as what is out on it so far promises a roomy vehicle with superior driving dynamics to either of the other two options. Lucid also has an 800V charging system, which is a massive bonus for road trips. However, the fact that Lucid is still a boutique automaker and buying one would probably be the riskiest of the three adds a layer of complexity to my decision-making process.

As far as servicing goes I don't know which would be better the Rivian or the HEV. The Hummer can be serviced at the dealer, and I have a good local dealer, but the forum is populated with service horror stories. The same stories are frequent here but contrast directly with my personal experience. The Atlanta service center and the Nashville remote center are full of competent mechanics, and the service at my house is even better than that of the dealer. Lucid here is probably the worst because they have fewer resources than the other companies.

Emotionally, the HEV speaks to me most. I liked driving it. I felt very cool driving it. I am not usually one for the jacked-up bro dozer aesthetic, but the Hummer feels so over the top that it gives me more cartoon truck vibes. I do worry about its downsides, being comically huge is a double edged sword. While it is fun to drive I could see a possibility of regretting that choice.

I know most of the people here are going to be Rivian-biased, but what does everyone else think?

I think you want the Hummer, so you should get it. I love the S. First Gen quad motor Launch Edition. I did take one 1800 mile round trip and it was fine to charge - 45 min to an hour every 5 or so hours of driving. I would stop and eat while it was charging 1x a day, and then charge at night.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

Did you test drive the EV9?

 

[blacknight]

I'll check once I'm home, but I basically found all the advertised stats, dimensions, cost, etc. data points, then did a comparison of each row to highlight the top two trucks in each area. #1 was assigned 2 points and #2 got 1 point (everyone else got zero). Then just add up the points.

That gave me a baseline before I started my test drives, since data only tells you so much. Hands on experience is just about as important, so that helped seal the deal for my Wife and I

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Did you test drive the EV9?

No. I sat in one and while I feel you get a lot for your dollar I would rather spend the extra and get a little more luxury touch. If I was budget constrained I would probably get the EV9 as your dollar goes the furthest but there’s definitely shortcomings between the 110 the HEV and the R1S cost and the Kia at 70

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I think you want the Hummer, so you should get it. I love the S. First Gen quad motor Launch Edition. I did take one 1800 mile round trip and it was fine to charge - 45 min to an hour every 5 or so hours of driving. I would stop and eat while it was charging 1x a day, and then charge at night.

What I want for sure is the Hummer platform with Rivian’s tech and functionality. Unfortunately that’s not in the cards. I do want the Hummer because it’s new and different and I’m a big fan of novelty but my R1 has been the best vehicle I’ve ever owned.

It’s a question of do I want the increased fun factor of the comic book car and all the drawbacks that come with such an impractical vehicle or do I want the known quantity with the excellent software and the features expanding over time.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

No. I sat in one and while I feel you get a lot for your dollar I would rather spend the extra and get a little more luxury touch. If I was budget constrained I would probably get the EV9 as your dollar goes the furthest but there’s definitely shortcomings between the 110 the HEV and the R1S cost and the Kia at 70

Agree. A fully loaded top of the line trim EV9 will not cost you more than $60k though. Mid trim will be about $50k.

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