R2 Competition - Kia EV3

[Gen(R3)Xer]

Can we put the Ioniq 5s drivetrain in the Rivian? Lol. It’s so smooth.

I’ve gotta set up a test drive. The only thing I don’t like is having to deal with a dealership.

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[_evtrk]

I bought my wife an Ionic 5 from their corporate companion Hyundai. It is a very nice hot hatch style EV that sold for about $60k well equipped. The weakness is their infotainment system which is redundant, confusing and frustrating!

you hit it right on the head! got my GF a lease on an Ioniq 5, it's a great vehicle, we got an SEL, 300+ mile range (we close to 330 miles btw) comfortable, spacious, charges so fast (13-90% in under 30 mins) which is awesome because they gave us first 30 mins at EA for free for 2 years, so essentially free charging for the life of the lease. but the downside like you said the UI is so confusing/bad, it has some good, but overall it's too complicated.

 

[_evtrk]

I’ve gotta set up a test drive. The only thing I don’t like is having to deal with a dealership.

biggest downside for dealing with legacy automakers, i rather pay a little more for a direct to consumer brand than save money and deal with a dealership and all their hidden fee's and time wasted going back and forth.

 

[donguanella]

I got an EV9 earlier this year and dumped it for another R1S because the EV9 software was so infuriating to use. Add to this some other problems like 12V battery issues, random things stopping working, screens going black while driving and it was an easy call despite losing a few bucks.

My main takeaway is how everyone is saying how Rivian is behind Tesla by a few years, but no one is talking about how Rivian and Tesla are a decade ahead of everyone else on the software side.

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

biggest downside for dealing with legacy automakers, i rather pay a little more for a direct to consumer brand than save money and deal with a dealership and all their hidden fee's and time wasted going back and forth.

Yeah, they suck horribly. They have a stranglehold on the OEMs though. No getting rid of them. If I get run around from the Hyundai dealership I’ll just lease a Tesla and I’ll let them know about it.

Everything should be direct sales to reduce costs. We need to eliminate middlemen from multiple industries (energy, medical insurance, etc.)

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Every time a new EV comes out, too many people ruminate about it taking market share from Rivian. It's not a zero-sum game, guys. New EVs are more likely to take market share from ICE than from Rivian. We need to expand the EV market as much as possible; that is the key to Rivian's success.

I love seeing these low-cost EVs coming out. Get the younger people into an EV and get them to realize their superiority over ICE vehicles. Then, as income grows, they will move up into the nicer EVs like R2 or R1. I do not doubt my mind EVs are a superior technology. We need more people to realize this, those people might buy a Rivian.

As someone who looked at everything on the market from 80-150K for my R1T replacement, I got the R1S Ascend. It was between that and the Hummer, and the Rivian is more livable daily. The EV9 wasn't nice enough, and the interior tech felt cheap. Although I liked the styling, I also like tech and the EV9 falls short in that regard.

Yes. It's getting to the point where any news of four wheels with electric drive is followed by "competition!" posts, regardless size or target customer. Is branding and product intent so subtle that people are missing it completely? As someone who's worked on the marketing side for may brands, I don't think Rivian has failed on that front—in stating what they are about and who they are for. In case anyone's forgotten: watch "Forever".

And, nationally EVs aren't even 10% of the total market. In CA, we're just peaking 22%... and EVs have been available to own for how long? Rivian has carved out a section of the total audience for itself. We're here. We should know this already.

Plus, how many OTAs and new features have Hyundai and KIA owners received so far? What you drive off their dealer lots is pretty much what you got until the day you no longer own it.

 

[Luvolbikes]

I buy American whenever I can and it is a major consideration. I have a gen 1 R1t. I have a deposit on an R2 but would prefer an R3.
For my next ev , I will be towing behind a motorhome. Kia EV3 single motor will be front wheel drive and I can pull it on a tow dolly. R2 and R3 single motor will be rwd. I'd need a full trailer to pull this along. Too bad.

 

[BigSkies]

It looks like a solid car, and Hyandai is consistently doing well. I’d view it as a smaller car more inline with the Equinox than the R2. But I’m sure some people would cross shop them. It will probably appeal to a lot of people that might be otherwise looking at a Model 3.

Competition is more defined by which gas cars it lines up against than which electric cars.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

We leased an EV9 until R2 comes out. Great car, but hasn't come close to making me think we may want to keep it over the R2.

Software isn't great, I don't think legacy automates understand how to drastically improve vehicles via OTAs.

The interior is nice, but not anywhere near R1 quality, despite it being a similar price before lease incentives.

The EV9 is much cheaper than the R1. A fully loaded GT Line can be had for about $60k. And mid trim one is $45-48k. Not even close to R1.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

biggest downside for dealing with legacy automakers, i rather pay a little more for a direct to consumer brand than save money and deal with a dealership and all their hidden fee's and time wasted going back and forth.

Interesting. I’ve bought 5 cars from different carmakers at dealers over the past few years. Never had a hidden fee. Always got very good prices. And had good service interactions except for one (Chevy, bleh).

In fact, I don’t even go to the dealer for pricing anymore. Everything is just “dealer x offers this price. Beat it or I’m out.” All via text. I’d much rather be able to get a better price with minimal effort.

 

[majorfriend]

The EV9 is much cheaper than the R1. A fully loaded GT Line can be had for about $60k. And mid trim one is $45-48k. Not even close to R1.

I'm comparing msrp to msrp.

EV9 Gt line msrp is ~75k

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

I'm comparing msrp to msrp.

EV9 Gt line msrp is ~75k

Not sure why you would compare a fake price to a real price? ?‍

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

I buy American whenever I can and it is a major consideration. I have a gen 1 R1t. I have a deposit on an R2 but would prefer an R3.
For my next ev , I will be towing behind a motorhome. Kia EV3 single motor will be front wheel drive and I can pull it on a tow dolly. R2 and R3 single motor will be rwd. I'd need a full trailer to pull this along. Too bad.

The 2025 Hyundai Ioniq 5 is being made in Georgia, so US made. It only gets half the tax credit though, so battery components must be Korean. The most made-in-America vehicles are the Tesla Model Y, Tesla Model 3, and the Honda Ridgeline.

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

Interesting. I’ve bought 5 cars from different carmakers at dealers over the past few years. Never had a hidden fee. Always got very good prices. And had good service interactions except for one (Chevy, bleh).

In fact, I don’t even go to the dealer for pricing anymore. Everything is just “dealer x offers this price. Beat it or I’m out.” All via text. I’d much rather be able to get a better price with minimal effort.

That’s how I bought my last vehicle. I emailed dealers and pitted them against each other. Anyone that told me to come in and talk I told them I’m not interested. I also want the out-the-door cost with all of the fees, including the doc fee and none of the add-ons, like undercarriage spray, extended warranties, blah, blah, blah.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

That’s how I bought my last vehicle. I emailed dealers and pitted them against each other. Anyone that told me to come in and talk I told them I’m not interested. I also want the out-the-door cost with all of the fees, including the doc fee and none of the add-ons, like undercarriage spray, extended warranties, blah, blah, blah.

This is the way.

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