Tesla nefarious behavior?

[Donald Stanfield]

you think some random dude is here to make tesla look good with a website named tesladeaths.com?

Yes, I do. Just like you're constantly shilling for him on here.

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[pamalabama]

Yes, I do. Just like you're constantly shilling for him on here.

shilling for who? That tesladeaths website is about as anti-tesla of a website as you can get. Except it is HONEST which is exactly what I'm trying to do here.

I just hate ignorance. I hate people posting ignorant things.

Did you see that video of tesla with FSD clearly stopping for the "inivisible" wall? No. Because it doesn't suit your narrative about FSD being unsafe

 

[Donald Stanfield]

shilling for who? That tesladeaths website is about as anti-tesla of a website as you can get. Except it is HONEST which is exactly what I'm trying to do here.

I just hate ignorance. I hate people posting ignorant things.

Did you see that video of tesla with FSD clearly stopping for the "inivisible" wall? No. Because it doesn't suit your narrative about FSD being unsafe

You wouldn't know honest discourse if it was sitting on your face. You're a Tesla shill and you don't post ANYTHING with any substance on this forum.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

your assumption is that FSD interventions are directly related to safety limitations of the system.

Right now, FSD does not slow down for school zones. Every time it's an intervention. Assuming this data is integrated into mapping this can be solved without changing FSD.

HOWEVER, FSD can continue to improve with interventions being identical because interventions like this are not impending accidents if we do not intervene.

FSD is actually punished right now because their interventions are due to poor mapping. Something like 80% of tesla interventions could be fixed overnight with a map update

Poor mapping has always been a serious letdown with Tesla.

It essentially ruined Enhanced Autopilot for me and that was $5K of the $8K I paid for FSD back in 2018.

The entire point of Enhanced Autopilot was to change lanes based on Navigation and if the routing sucked then Enhanced Autopilot sucked.

I'm not using FSD interventions as like you said proper geofencing could prevent a lot of interventions. Plus people intervene simply based on what they're comfortable with.

So instead I'm simply going off how its perceived to the average driver.

If its perceived as being 99.5% of a decent driver than we're likely to trust it a lot more than if it was only 80%.

Regardless of how its measured my prediction is it will get significantly less safe as transverses the last little bit to get to unsupervised.

Largely due to the sheer amount of edge cases. Humans are unpredictable whether we're driving or if we're walking.

We also KNOW we can bully the crap out of autonomous vehicles. What's it going to do? Run us over?

Humans are also very accepting of human caused accidents but we freak out if its an autonomous accident.

We don't like Robots killing people but we're perfectly content with humans killing humans.

Obviously there was a reason Elon has spent 100's of millions on the winning the president over. My belief is regulations especially with autonomous cars was a part of that gamble. That Elon knew regulators would have to turn a blind eye to what happens over the next 2 years.

 

[pamalabama]

Poor mapping has always been a serious letdown with Tesla.

It essentially ruined Enhanced Autopilot for me and that was $5K of the $8K I paid for FSD back in 2018.

The entire point of Enhanced Autopilot was to change lanes based on Navigation and if the routing sucked then Enhanced Autopilot sucked.

I'm not using FSD interventions as like you said proper geofencing could prevent a lot of interventions. Plus people intervene simply based on what they're comfortable with.

So instead I'm simply going off how its perceived to the average driver.

If its perceived as being 99.5% of a decent driver than we're likely to trust it a lot more than if it was only 80%.

Regardless of how its measured my prediction is it will get significantly less safe as transverses the last little bit to get to unsupervised.

Largely due to the sheer amount of edge cases. Humans are unpredictable whether we're driving or if we're walking.

We also KNOW we can bully the crap out of autonomous vehicles. What's it going to do? Run us over?

Humans are also very accepting of human caused accidents but we freak out if its an autonomous accident.

We don't like Robots killing people but we're perfectly content with humans killing humans.

Obviously there was a reason Elon has spent 100's of millions on the winning the president over. My belief is regulations especially with autonomous cars was a part of that gamble. That Elon knew regulators would have to turn a blind eye to what happens over the next 2 years.

Look at waymo. Waymo doesn't cause at fault accidents and drives very according to the rules. However driving according to the rules causes other people to get into accidents with it.

But waymo does plenty of stupid stuff. But most of the "stupid" things waymo does does not involve hitting something.

Tesla no doubt will do incorrect stuff but the general colliding with objects is not usually one of them.

If you look at chinese cars with lidar they get into more accidents than tesla FSD because accidents are as much a planning issue as a perception one.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Poor mapping has always been a serious letdown with Tesla.

It essentially ruined Enhanced Autopilot for me and that was $5K of the $8K I paid for FSD back in 2018.

The entire point of Enhanced Autopilot was to change lanes based on Navigation and if the routing sucked then Enhanced Autopilot sucked.

I'm not using FSD interventions as like you said proper geofencing could prevent a lot of interventions. Plus people intervene simply based on what they're comfortable with.

So instead I'm simply going off how its perceived to the average driver.

If its perceived as being 99.5% of a decent driver than we're likely to trust it a lot more than if it was only 80%.

Regardless of how its measured my prediction is it will get significantly less safe as transverses the last little bit to get to unsupervised.

Largely due to the sheer amount of edge cases. Humans are unpredictable whether we're driving or if we're walking.

We also KNOW we can bully the crap out of autonomous vehicles. What's it going to do? Run us over?

Humans are also very accepting of human caused accidents but we freak out if its an autonomous accident.

We don't like Robots killing people but we're perfectly content with humans killing humans.

Obviously there was a reason Elon has spent 100's of millions on the winning the president over. My belief is regulations especially with autonomous cars was a part of that gamble. That Elon knew regulators would have to turn a blind eye to what happens over the next 2 years.

The reason why we accept human caused accidents is humans have a right to travel, robots do not.

 

[JM.]

Good for you. It still doesn't change the fact you thought "proof" includes videos of Tesla stans driving around using FSD.

I didn't. I certainly didn't say that, you assumed I did. Your rabid need to be right is tricking you I suppose. Fully self driving cars are made by a lot of people other than Tesla, and they are what I'm talking about. I never said Tesla.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I didn't. I certainly didn't say that, you assumed I did. Your rabid need to be right is tricking you I suppose. Fully self driving cars are made by a lot of people other than Tesla, and they are what I'm talking about. I never said Tesla.

He doesn't need to be right, he IS right. I can see how that would confuse you, though.

 

[COdogman]

I didn't. I certainly didn't say that, you assumed I did. Your rabid need to be right is tricking you I suppose. Fully self driving cars are made by a lot of people other than Tesla, and they are what I'm talking about. I never said Tesla.

Other than videos of me riding in them? The thousands of articles in major media showing it? What exactly is proof? WTF, trolling??

I guess this post of you saying exactly that was also a “setup” or “fake”?

 

[JM.]

You quoted it yourself, where I never said Tesla. Amazing, truly. And my reply was to a person not specifying Teslas. WTF!

 

[COdogman]

You quoted it yourself, where I never said Tesla. Amazing, truly. And my reply was to a person not specifying Teslas. WTF!

What is amazing is that you somehow believe that you found a loophole in the middle of a discussion about Tesla autonomous driving where you repeat the same claim made famous by Musk about their systems being safer than human drivers without mentioning their name and expect others to take you seriously.

But ok… good to know that you can admit Tesla’s autonomous driving systems are NOT safer than a human driver since you deliberately left them out of the comment

Btw, which systems were you referring to that are proven to be safer?

 

[JM.]

Btw, which systems were you referring to that are proven to be safer?

Pretty well all of them, but I haven't carefully researched them all. Glad to see you get past the assumptions however. Even Rivian's lame ADAS is probably safer than humans only. Waymo obviously is, as are many others. But you knew that.

 

[COdogman]

Pretty well all of them, but I haven't carefully researched them all. Glad to see you get past the assumptions however. Even Rivian's lame ADAS is probably safer than humans only. Waymo obviously is, as are many others. But you knew that.

Great. So let’s go back to where you prove that.

And just to be clear, you are saying Tesla’s systems are NOT safer than an human driver?

And in case you need it pointed out to you, human drivers don’t only drive in sunny CA, AZ, TX.

 

[pamalabama]

Great. So let’s go back to where you prove that.

And just to be clear, you are saying Tesla’s systems are NOT safer than an human driver?

And in case you need it pointed out to you, human drivers don’t only drive in sunny CA, AZ, TX.

and teslas have no problems driving in heavy rain, snow, etc.

 

[pamalabama]

Look at this drive in NY. This driving ability is better than 50% of americans easily

If you factor in smoothness this is better than 100%

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