A good time to own an EV - Gas Prices about to go nuts [LOCKED DUE TO POLITICS]

[DuoRivian]

is it R2 Thursday yet?

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[skyguyscott]

Pleeeeeze. Give it a rest. To start by saying keeping it civil, then this"""""

Go look at the real data instead of rhetoric.

I'm unaware of the data sets you are looking at. Is the macro economic outlook in the USA not K-shaped? Do the US government's own reports not show a shrinking middle class over the last half-century? Have scientists changed their consensus on climate change? Are tech experts, including the "father of AI" not sounding alarms over the threats AI poses? Are government watchdogs and academic researchers not seeing corruption at the highest levels in USA, or growing threats to democracy in America? Have private equity practices somehow had a net positive influence on the US economy?

Or, would you ignore or dismiss these data sets as "alarmist", "fake news,"or "elitist," or try to obfuscate with 'what-about-isms" or sow FUD, or retreat to floating on an Egyptian river, or do you have peer-reviewed evidence to present to the contrary?

Psychologists studying the immunity people exhibit to facts report that political identity often trumps truth, that social groups value loyalty and consistency over factual accuracy. And curiously, exposure to opposing viewpoints, rather than acting as opportunities to correct perceptions, often cause people to become even more entrenched in their positions. To overcome these pitfalls requires purposeful introspection, recognizing one's own biases, resisting defensive reflexes, willingness to abandon untenable positions, and deliberate engagement with reason.

 

[DuoRivian]

I'm unaware of the data sets you are looking at. Is the macro economic outlook in the USA not K-shaped? Do the US government's own reports not show a shrinking middle class over the last half-century? Have scientists changed their consensus on climate change? Are tech experts, including the "father of AI" not sounding alarms over the threats AI poses? Are government watchdogs and academic researchers not seeing corruption at the highest levels in USA, or growing threats to democracy in America? Have private equity practices somehow had a net positive influence on the US economy?

Or, would you ignore or dismiss these data sets as "alarmist", "fake news,"or "elitist," or try to obfuscate with 'what-about-isms" or sow FUD, or retreat to floating on an Egyptian river, or do you have peer-reviewed evidence to present to the contrary?

Psychologists studying the immunity people exhibit to facts report that political identity often trumps truth, that social groups value loyalty and consistency over factual accuracy. And curiously, exposure to opposing viewpoints, rather than acting as opportunities to correct perceptions, often cause people to become even more entrenched in their positions. To overcome these pitfalls requires purposeful introspection, recognizing one's own biases, resisting defensive reflexes, willingness to abandon untenable positions, and deliberate engagement with reason.

You make some good points but just because some people say AI will be a threat doesn’t make it so. I lived through the millennium bug scare when money was wasted to fix an issue that didn’t happen. Many cases of scares about new technology and each time (like the advent of the internet) prosperity has increased not decreased. Will AI be different- we will see but it’s a judgement informed by your own perspective to say this is the worse situation we have been in for 50+ years.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

I lived through the millennium bug scare when money was wasted to fix an issue that didn’t happen.

I don't think money was wasted on issue that didn't happen. Rather, it didn't happen because money was spent to fix/pre-empt it.

 

[VandalSibs]

I lived through the millennium bug scare when money was wasted to fix an issue that didn’t happen.

Money wasn't wasted on an "issue that didn't happen". The money was spent to get people to fix the issue. Which they did, thus preventing the issue.

EDIT UnsungZero ninja'd me!

It's the same as the ozone hole - people say "why isn't this an issue anymore", it's because changes were made that resolved the problem!

 

[DuoRivian]

I don't think money was wasted on issue that didn't happen. Rather, it didn't happen because money was spent to fix/pre-empt it.

I disagree on the millennium bug scare- there were companies that did very little and had no ill effects. The fear was much greater.
Totally different with the ozone hole which had a clear negative effect and a clear response (eliminate the ozone depleting chemicals in refrigerates).

 

[skyguyscott]

You make some good points but just because some people say AI will be a threat doesn’t make it so. I lived through the millennium bug scare when money was wasted to fix an issue that didn’t happen. Many cases of scares about new technology and each time (like the advent of the internet) prosperity has increased not decreased. Will AI be different- we will see but it’s a judgement informed by your own perspective to say this is the worse situation we have been in for 50+ years.

I believe my pessimism regarding AI is routed in my familiarity with human greed, lust and will to power. I hope my distrust and suspicions are vastly overwrought. Here's a surprisingly entertaining and enlightening video from Neil deGrasse Tyson on a deep dive with Noble laureate and professor emeritus Geoffry Hinton, one of the fathers of AI with an in-depth discussion of the future of AI. It's over an hour in length, but it flies by, and is worth the time investment IMHO.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

I disagree on the millennium bug scare- there were companies that did very little and had no ill effects. The fear was much greater.
Totally different with the ozone hole which had a clear negative effect and a clear response (eliminate the ozone depleting chemicals in refrigerates).

I don't know what obscure examples you're thinking of. But the ones matter, like work done for computer operating systems (personal and enterprise level) did keep issues at bay. Banks and their ATMs kept running. No one lost their savings. And public utilities continued to operate and provide essential services. Just because you personally didn't experience issues, doesn't mean nothing was done to prevent what could have been.

 

[SANZC02]

You make some good points but just because some people say AI will be a threat doesn’t make it so. I lived through the millennium bug scare when money was wasted to fix an issue that didn’t happen. Many cases of scares about new technology and each time (like the advent of the internet) prosperity has increased not decreased. Will AI be different- we will see but it’s a judgement informed by your own perspective to say this is the worse situation we have been in for 50+ years.

Just a note on the Y2K issue, I worked on that project for the company I was employed by. All of the money and effort put into those projects is precisely why an issue did not happen. It was not wasted resources but required and exactly why there were only a few small issues at most companies and no major failures.

 

[VSG]

And it's only a few short years more until we're faced with the Y2K38 problem. The work many people are doing right now will prevent issues with that too. You're welcome, in advance.

 

[mkhuffman]

I'm unaware of the data sets you are looking at. Is the macro economic outlook in the USA not K-shaped? Do the US government's own reports not show a shrinking middle class over the last half-century? Have scientists changed their consensus on climate change? Are tech experts, including the "father of AI" not sounding alarms over the threats AI poses? Are government watchdogs and academic researchers not seeing corruption at the highest levels in USA, or growing threats to democracy in America? Have private equity practices somehow had a net positive influence on the US economy?

Or, would you ignore or dismiss these data sets as "alarmist", "fake news,"or "elitist," or try to obfuscate with 'what-about-isms" or sow FUD, or retreat to floating on an Egyptian river, or do you have peer-reviewed evidence to present to the contrary?

Psychologists studying the immunity people exhibit to facts report that political identity often trumps truth, that social groups value loyalty and consistency over factual accuracy. And curiously, exposure to opposing viewpoints, rather than acting as opportunities to correct perceptions, often cause people to become even more entrenched in their positions. To overcome these pitfalls requires purposeful introspection, recognizing one's own biases, resisting defensive reflexes, willingness to abandon untenable positions, and deliberate engagement with reason.

This is not appropriate content for a car forum.

You post like you have facts, and if I try to dispute any of it, we are way out of what is acceptable and the admins will probably ban a few people and delete posts. So you should not even start.

Stick to Rivian and the car industry in general, please, and not your political propaganda.

 

[VSG]

This is not appropriate content for a car forum

As opposed to your re-defining of the word "mandate" to disparage things you don't agree with, while hypocritically using a different definition for things you support? What about the religion "mandate" in this country? Do you oppose that as well?

 

[skyguyscott]

This is not appropriate content for a car forum.

You post like you have facts, and if I try to dispute any of it, we are way out of what is acceptable and the admins will probably ban a few people and delete posts. So you should not even start.

Stick to Rivian and the car industry in general, please, and not your political propaganda.

Well, Mike, I agree that this forum isn't the most appropriate for political discussions, I was replying to what I perceived as a request for data referenced in my previous post.

Sometimes the best move is simply to agree to disagree. With a thread dealing with gas prices, and given the interconnectivity of public policy, economics and politics, it is likely inevitable that those tangents will touch on the discussion (indeed, how could they not?) We can disagree on various subjects, but should keep those disagreements respectful.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

As opposed to your re-defining of the word "mandate" to disparage things you don't agree with, while hypocritically using a different definition for things you support? What about the religion "mandate" in this country? Do you oppose that as well?

Every time I see "mandate" being used, I perceive it as regurgitation of biased talking point rather than a thought that's actually been thoroughly processed.

 

[mkhuffman]

As opposed to your re-defining of the word "mandate" to disparage things you don't agree with, while hypocritically using a different definition for things you support? What about the religion "mandate" in this country? Do you oppose that as well?

Yes. I oppose all mandates. I wish we had more of a free market, with not so many mandates. Freedom is better, IMO.

Well, Mike, I agree that this forum isn't the most appropriate for political discussions, I was replying to what I perceived as a request for data referenced in my previous post.

Sometimes the best move is simply to agree to disagree. With a thread dealing with gas prices, and given the interconnectivity of public policy, economics and politics, it is likely inevitable that those tangents will touch on the discussion (indeed, how could they not?) We can disagree on various subjects, but should keep those disagreements respectful.

I agree and I appreciate your civility. Seriously.

I do think some of the positions you posted are extreme, and could cause some uncivil responses. If we go down that road. I don't want to go down that road, unless it is in my R1T, and it isn't a road, it is a sandy beach.

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