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If we can determine whether it's 15 or 17, we can probably extrapolate out when they will deliver the final LE or complete all the preorders......

Not contradictory, because I qualified the first statement by saying "even if you ever did need it". The point is that people run out of juice as often or likely less often than they run out of gas, and it's entirely within your control. Even if 100% of vehicles on the road were capable of V2V...

Production hell is an inevitability, and it applies from day one, but not just for Rivian. Ramping up production of a new vehicle, much less three, is hard/hell. If it were not, everyone would do it. However, one way or another they will figure it out. Auto startups that fail do so before ever...

Yahoo is behind. They have successfully achieved that goal for all three.

V2H/G/L great. V2V is not really useful in the real world once you think about it. Plus, even if you ever did need it, you need someone ELSE to have that capability, not you, and you need them to be where you are exactly when you need it, and then be willing to sit with you for 1-3 hours while...

True, but it's not eligible because it's not being produced yet nor have they seen what the final product is. I saw a glimpse somewhere, and the interior is FAR less luxurious than the Dream Edition. It is similar to a Model 3/Y, at least the back seat I saw. They can only judge what's out...

Investors? 3-5 years. Speculative day traders/amateurs? Who cares.

Oh, I declined all of it except the oil change and the front axle brakes. The rest were not immediately critical, they were "sometime soon" suggestions based on time and mileage, and I agree I can probably find them cheaper somewhere else but that also involves my time and headache to track down...

No matter how many times you post that in however many threads, it doesn't make it true, nor does it even mean anything if it were. You busted through the doors of this forum like a drunk fool in the tavern babbling while everyone here is just looking at each other shaking their heads. Your...

A lot of people consider Hyundai/Kia/Genesis to have the best ADAS system in the industry, even rivaling Tesla. At least in terms of how smooth it handles lane centering and speed modulation. The lane change thing I personally think is a gimmick, as it doesn't forgo any real effort when you're...

That's not correct, I listened the first time and just re-listened. The question referred to the S1 which said that current preorder backlog would be fulfilled by "end of fiscal 2023" and asked him if he would still reiterate that guidance, which he did. RJ misspoke and said by 2023 but he meant...

Well, both are those are branded too. Hyundai is called Highway Assist (comes standard) and BMW is something like Driving Assistant Pro (which you have to pay extra for). Some BMW models only have a Driving Assistant option that is less feature rich. However, those will be the same in five...

Yeah, despite getting the same final Doug Score, there is a clear difference in the excitement level of the two reviews. I wrote it off after seeing that they got nearly the same Value score, but yet that was his closing piece about how it costs so much. I think he solved for the 73 overall on...

I think GM called him up after his Rivian review and said, great news Doug, you're going to review the Hummer tomorrow, and you're gonna like it. Or else. You can see the fear in his eyes as he's wrapping up towards the end.

Lane departure warning is not what I would refer to as driver assistance personally. There are orange lights that will illuminate in the side mirrors like most cars for blind spot detection. This does not require anything to be "engaged" using the stalk, like both levels of driver+ do. the ping...

Yep, well it will definitely be in the short term because it won't be long before there will be some other reason to buy or sell.

I may get the nomenclature wrong, but there are essentially two levels of driver assistance: 1. Radar cruise control without steering assistance. This is what they let people demo at Agua Dulce. 2. Highway Assist that folds in steering assistance. They have made statements this will be limited...

They specify they are net preorders, which means net of cancellations, or orders that are still active and potential to be converted to revenue.

They never claimed their production numbers to be conservative, we did. Their production numbers were simply extrapolating the current daily production rate at the time they made them through the end of the year. What other method would one use? You surely wouldn't take a negative approach of...

I think I saw that upon second review. Just adds to my belief that their delusions of grandeur will bite them in the ass.