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Yeah but under what circumstances? If they start the car without you, or if they inadvertently actuate control mechanisms while you are in the driver seat? I can't tell, though to be honest I haven't really read it in any detail.

This may relate to an interview I saw from Rivian autonomous engineer - they need to be able to detect and not act on spurious inputs - not sure if the patents relates to the wrong person (like a child) activating, in which case this seems like a good sign because it would seem that the typical...

Following this thread.. as I'm interested in comparisons :)

Nate was nice enough to send me his calculator. I used it a few times. I also pulled Edmund's TCO and compared a 2013 LX570 to the Rivian - which happens to be what I'm thinking about. I took Tesla as the basis for the Rivian, and modified a few things. I made taxes -2500 for the first year...

That definitely adds value from my perspective - if it's a relatively small delta, like $6k, I am definitely getting a Rivian. Rivian being a new manufacturer, etc., doesn't bother me in the slightest, I have faith that they are working things out systematically, and developing a really...

I agree, and I'm not advocating for any policy, I don't have enough knowledge to make real recommendations.

And trees, at least by some metrics, are very cheap to plant.

Yeah I calculated how to offset CO2 if that is the goal a while back, and it is trivially easy/cheap, from a quick back of the envelop calculation.. whether that is valid or not, I'm not sure. Nate was nice enough to send me his calculator.. my takeaway so far is that I'm actually surprised at...

Those numbers actually aren't as bad as I was expecting lol... I guess I'll run some numbers of my own, but they should come out close to yours. Also I think insurance will probably be much more expensive on the Rivian.. and you could buy a used Tacoma to make the comparison even worse.... I'm...

I'm a big Milton Friedman fan. I think he would say, that the progress you're talking about doesn't change the principle involved - it may be that you are in a position to consider a 35k tesla "cheap" and "affordable" for the masses, but it's still a luxury vehicle, statistically speaking. I...

There's absolutely no doubt that BE vehicle subsidies enriching the rich is empirical fact. There is another $7.5k roughly that goes to indirect subsidies in the CO2 offset costs I believe as well - that one is probably wiser, because it is invisible to consumers, and it doesn't get sunset...

I'm thinking they will get out some reasonable volumes in mid to late 2020. This is a company that doesn't overpromise, they are executing well, and I expect they will do well here.

I drove a new wrangler a few weekends ago and thought it was a little tiring on the highway.. but for what it is, there is nothing that compares to it.. I do pretty light offroading and have been for a few years, so I feel like I could take the Rivian offroad and not ding it up, but it is always...

Jeff from Santa Clara. Extremely excited about the R1T and also R1S; not as excited about the price, it's about 20k more than ideal, although certainly the right thing for Rivian to do as a company.

Good thinking. My rationalization is similar, I'm going to actually pay off a car for once, instead of trading in, over the next 1.5-2 years, at which point I may sell to help pay for Rivian. I'm trying to decide how silly this will be.

My fear is that the base model price is already at the tippy top of my price range. But I want a Rivian. So options scare me a little.

To be honest, I think it's great to see long term economic trends that improve the environment, and I suspect over time BEVs will help with this, but I find the products compelling for different reasons - a 0-60mph in 3seconds truck with >14" of ground clearance and instant 750hp and ~1000ft-lb...

400 miles is great.. 300 is probably sufficient for me. Even 230 is okay, but 300 feels a lot better....

Agreed... I pulled up a map of chargers for the first time a few nights ago, was impressed that with 300 miles of range I could make do with anything I could foreseeably need to do...

I agree, in fact I think the price/technology curve might be more like the semiconductor industry, because the battery tech may develop more similarly in that case, and the other stuff - tech features, infotainment - are literally semiconductor platforms.. In any case, the price will come down...