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They roll the entire $2500 cost into the residual PLUS it increases the lease cost by $36/month. You effectively pay an extra $1300 if you decide to buyout the vehicle at the end or you start the whole process over on a new vehicle with no transferability. Rivian likes it because they effective...

Sure maybe that’s worth it if it actually performs. But we know the take rate for FSD on Tesla is only like 15% across all models though and I seriously doubt Rivian is getting close to FSD performance before 2027. I seriously doubt they will get there before 2028 even based on the current...

THIS. I'm not sure why everyone isn't screaming this point from the rooftops. The current product isnt that much different than what was in the market in 2023. AND they have already announced that current hardware will reach end of life before true point-to-point autonomy. If you pay $2,500...

It’s already been announced that the R1 is going to be hardware limited and won’t get next Gen full autonomy features regardless. So you are effectively paying $2500 to beta test a product with a known end-of-life timeline and fund the next generation platform for others

They do this because software recurring revenue streams get valued at an ARR multiple for a growth company - in theory 8-10x if the recurring revenue is growing 25%+. So in theory a couple hundred million adds a couple billion to valuation. Problem is - this recurring revenue stream is...

No, I’m saying they don’t do those things either but I find their core highway functionality more reliable, more predictable and smoother and therefore still better despite being 3+ years stale. I personally don’t find any of the non-Tesla systems usable off-highway. Even the Tesla FSD system...

Hands-off is mapped roads only, adaptive cruise/lane keep works everywhere. Rivian doesn't detect stop-signs or red lights, doesnt navigate and isnt very good in stop-and-go traffic so even if it technically works off-highway it doesnt have much practical utility. Ford Bluecruise still performs...

There is 0% chance either Lucid or Rivian is in a leadership position by 2028. Lucid's ADAS system today is like 6-years behind current tech and Rivian is just now getting to the level of performance Ford/GM achieved in late-2022. They aren't getting there just by brute forcing with better silicon.

I’m willing to bet the opposite. Self-driving is going to be commoditized. Prices will go down over time. I remember when folks were paying multiple hundred of dollars in fees for just maps updates with connectivity on top of that.

I think you are describing what’s required to get to a near “perfect” level of driving. I don’t believe the market is going to require that - we don’t require it for any other level of automation. More likely real life hurdle is getting to an actuarially acceptable risk level. That is -...

I mean… you are both right. Eventually there will need to be a national framework but that isn’t yet the bottleneck. Still have some tech to figure out. Waymo is just now getting into highway/airport trips and at the beginnings of expanding into markets with severe weather conditions.

Waymo (and other specialists) already exists and will accomplish this well before Rivian does. They are testing their tech with different vehicle types now with an eye towards licensing. Waymo will deliver this functionality at a fleet level in the next 5 years most likely with availability for...

Nine service calls in two years/50K is not good for an EV. Full stop. Thats one every 5-6K miles and worse than a comparable ICE vehicle. Don’t let this forum gaslight you. My own Gen 2 R1S is tracking worse than this. 3 service visits in 1 year / 6K miles.

The Model S and Model X are effectively abadoned products. The iX, Hyundai/Kia EV9/Ioniq 9, and the Cadillacs are more relevant comps right now. The Ioniq 9 is about 50 miles of range away from being in consideration to replace my Gen 2 R1S in 2027

Remember - these are newborns and they will be in rear-facing car seats for 3 years minimum so they are effectively the size of NFL linebackers if you use the most popular car seat options (like say the Nuna options). It will work but you pretty much lose your 3rd row until they go forward...

It works okay as long as your dog is fine in the cargo area and your passengers are typically fairly average range height. Issue you will face is that you are going to have two rear facing seats for the next 3 years which means you will have to play Tetris to utilize the 3rd row well and either...

Surprised they aren’t here already. Usually there is a “I just bought the car to drive” and a “Why are you whining about little bugs” guy in the first few posts of any thread like this.

Are you actually reading the stuff that you are quoting? Nowhere in that quote am I saying that everyone who disagrees with me is a fanatic. It’s very clearly referring to the subset of people of the type I described (I.e. those who try to gaslight away the issues with type of excuses described...

Sigh. I obviously didnt mean literally calling it the word crazy - that's a characterization of the line of quotes I made in the response to you. Context. And yeah I deny saying anyone who disagrees with me is a brigading fanatic because thats not what I said. I said that I label anyone...

Nope. You are making up words that aren’t in my posts. Okay - well if no one is calling it “crazy” I guess I’m talking to the air so whatever. You and/or your buddy liking all your posts can keep on with your “I just bought the car to drive”, “your expectations are wrong”, “you can’t expect a...