New Tesla Model Y L launching this weekend [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS, NO ELON TALK]

[shandering]

You're wrong, here is the SAE diagram directly from their website at sae.org:



No implementation of Tesla FSD can drive itself without ever asking the "supervisor" to take over driving in certain cases. Therefore it's L2.

Read the actual SAE J3016 document. It's not as simple as the chart makes it sound

Tesla does not ask the supervisor to take over except for when the fake "red hands" error pops up. When that pops up, conveniently the car continues to drive and execute minimum risk manuevers. Robotaxi build has the same errors minus the "fake" message that doesn't mean anything.


With FSD v14 the only times you take over are ON YOUR OWN for safety or convenience. As long as you are not reasonably performing a task the car doesn't have (like identifying emergency vehicles) but instead supervising the car to make sure it doesn't fail at any driving task, that is level 4.

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[Hereforthesnacks]

I never said that. I said lack of phantom braking does not indicate safety

There are people that hate FSD v14 because you can no longer set the max speed and there are more braking events that would not happen with v13.

The safety difference is quite large

Elon, don’t you have better things than to join a forum and try to troll a few weeks later?

We get it. Tesla is LVL 4. Just like you promised! You are the best and are never wrong. It’s just great to be able to talk to you directly.

 

[TheMac]

...will never own a Tesla...

This!!!

 

[r2fb]

Tesla does not ask the supervisor to take over except

So it does ask you to take over sometimes. That's not L4. I'll follow the chart on SAE website over you. Even if it keeps doing minimum risk maneuvers and stops, that means after that someone has to manually drive. None of that is L4

 

[shandering]

So it does ask you to take over sometimes. That's not L4. I'll follow the chart on SAE website over you.

You DON'T have to manually drive. A minimum risk maneuver is the car handling the behavior 100% autonomously

Tesla puts up a "fake" message to give the illusion that the car is level 2

notice how the robotaxi build has the exact same failure but the message is turned off

Even if it keeps doing minimum risk maneuvers and stops, that means after that someone has to manually drive. None of that is L4

Are you stupid at this point? Waymo does this. A minimum risk maneuver is stopping in place or pulling off to the side of the road. There is no handoff. The car is completely stopped. Taking over is not a handoff because the car is in the safest reasonable spot and is no longer driving.

you can have a l4 system that only works on freeways. Under L4 the car has to drive 100% of the time when it's on the freeway with no handoff. That means you have to manually disengage to leave the freeway or the car needs to pull over when the freeway ends. The only thing preventing you from sleeping is the fact that you can't safely sleep in the driver's seat with all the controls around you

It's also possible that rivian has level 4 but does not have a system that can pick your kids up from school. Because at any time if the cameras are blinded the car could just stop in place and then someone would have to go out to the car and clean the cameras.

 

[NY_Rob]

Are you stupid at this point?

Please try to keep it civil here, this is not TMC...

 

[shandering]

Please try to keep it civil here, this is not TMC...

Are you serious? have you been on that forum?

This forum is the polar opposite. You can trash tesla all you want on that forum but all profanity is filtered out

i'm not a member but reading stuff it seems like people there are generally less ignorant about the technology because it is more interesting

 

[NY_Rob]

Are you serious? have you been on that forum?

This forum is the polar opposite. You can trash tesla all you want on that forum but all profanity is filtered out

Lol... I got run out of that place for asking a few simple questions.. no trash talking required.

Anyway, if you met that r2fb guy in a Costco parking lot... would you call him stupid to his face? Probably not.. just something to consider friend.

 

[shandering]

Lol... I got run out of that place for asking a few simple questions.. no trash talking required.

Anyway, if you met that r2fb guy in a Costco parking lot... would you call him stupid to his face? Probably not.. just something to consider friend.

Yes. Considering he is making ignorant remarks after ignoring the fact that every robotaxi on earth has some kind of remote intervention.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

Please try to keep it civil here, this is not TMC...

Yeah, the Turner Movie Classics forum is a rough place …

 

[NY_Rob]

Yeah, the Turner Movie Classics forum is a rough place …

Agreed! And I still insist that Die Hard is a Christmas movie!

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

This!!!

Bingo. At $65k, the YL isn’t a bad option. But I actually put my wallet where my mouth is.

 

[TheMac]

Bingo. At $65k, the YL isn’t a bad option. But I actually put my wallet where my mouth is.

 

[TheMac]

I tend to put my money where it will produce the best experience for me .

 

[Dark-Fx]

Lol... I got run out of that place for asking a few simple questions.. no trash talking required.

Anyway, if you met that r2fb guy in a Costco parking lot... would you call him stupid to his face? Probably not.. just something to consider friend.

Robots don't have faces.

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