When will R1S Quad be available for ordering???? Getting irritated with Rivian...

[DayTripping]

Honestly it's kinda nit picking at this point...Teslas are pretty much one trick ponies. Rivians are much nicer and the Quad still has more power and is faster overall. Lets be clear here, the quad isn't even in production yet so everything is speculation at this point. Based on the numbers they have provided it will beat the CT on every metric. Also you aren't getting speed limited if you're in launch mode.

At that price point, I can be more picky. They are pretty much dead even to 60 mph even with all the extra power of the G2 quad.

I am not a Tesla hater mm or am I a Rivian fan boi. Performance is a key metric for me like Donald loves fine Corinthian leather to paraphrase. If it is too much like the tri I absolutely would pass. I would love for them to differentiate it even more.

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[A_E]

At that price point, I can be more picky. They are pretty much dead even to 60 mph even with all the extra power of the G2 quad.

I am not a Tesla hater mm or am I a Rivian fan boi. Performance is a key metric for me like Donald loves fine Corinthian leather to paraphrase. If it is too much like the tri I absolutely would pass. I would love for them to differentiate it even more.

Again, you don't know this because the G2 Quad has not been produced and anything that has been tested was a very early prototype. I think I'm done exhausting logic here...

 

[DayTripping]

Again, you don't know this because the G2 Quad has not been produced and anything that has been tested was a very early prototype. I think I'm done exhausting logic here...

My hope is it will be better than what MT tested. The longer they wait, the stiffer the competition.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

My hope is it will be better than what MT tested. The longer they wait, the stiffer the competition.

If you’d be happy with a CT you should get one. You can get it for a steal compared to the new quad or even a tri.

 

[DayTripping]

If it was less ugly, smaller blindspots, and had a nicer interior, I might have converted my reservation.

If we just accept what companies produce, they have little incentive to improve.

While I love my Rivian, it has had more issues than my last 5 Teslas put together and in total those had 30 times miles.

Rivian has built a pretty good vehicle. I hope they will continue to refine it and improve the performance though most likely they will treat the R1 series like Tesla did the S and X. The smaller ones will get most of their attention going forward.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

If it was less ugly, smaller blindspots, and had a nicer interior, I might have converted my reservation.

That's just it, the CT is shit for extremely obvious reasons so there's no reason to even use it as comparison.


If we just accept what companies produce, they have little incentive to improve.

This doesn't really make sense to me, as companies compete with each other and this competition is what drives innovation. To take something like a Rivian that has many world firsts and apply this logic doesn't make sense to me.

While I love my Rivian, it has had more issues than my last 5 Teslas put together and in total those had 30 times miles.

Okay cool. Your gen 1 was Rivian's first attempt at making commercial vehicles. Yes some have had issues and yes this is to be expected.

Rivian has built a pretty good vehicle. I hope they will continue to refine it and improve the performance though most likely they will treat the R1 series like Tesla did the S and X. The smaller ones will get most of their attention going forward.

Every other manufacturer doesn't treat their halo cars this way. They use their fancy cars as a test bed for technology that sometimes trickles down to their more affordable ones. Tesla is reaping what they've sewn with their lack of innovation over the years. As I said above, most manufacturers compete with each other to win your business, and this competition drives innovation.

The decline in Tesla sales is a twofold issue. First is the obvious with Elon and his activities; second is their lack of innovation over the years. Tesla was the first to market with a viable electric car, but they kept that car pretty much the same since then. There is competition now with much nicer styling and interiors. As more alternatives enter the market, Tesla seems worse. Even their crown jewel software isn't as great as many here claim. If you're not used to their system, everything is buried down multiple menus and difficult to find. Let alone Tesla's digitization of foundational features that many people find annoying.

The tl;dr here is I wouldn't use Tesla as the model for what will happen to Rivian when the rest of the automotive industry operates differently. Seeing what RJ has been doing shows me he understands this much better than Elon does.

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[DayTripping]

If Tesla had made the CT a bit more mainstream (i.e., more traditional body style), it would have easily outsold the R1T. At least until Elon's antics got in the way. Tesla has nailed the autonomous driving aids compared to Rivian, far slicker user interface, more SW defined features, etc. Their drivetrain is more efficient from what I've seen as well. I'll give Rivian a lot of credit for what they've accomplished but they still have al long ways to go. When you are selling a vehicle for over $100k, people expectations typically go up as well.

Too often manufacturers get in a rut, and just do the modern day equivalent of '80s BNG (bold new graphics) and not much else. Often as a consumer, there aren't many options for competition, and we are stuck with whatever the few companies want to provide in the way of updates. I learned a long time ago to be vocal about this. If vocal enough, manufacturers will listen. I worked at 2 extremely well know car companies and if there are enough voices saying the same thing, often companies will respond if feasible or financially viable. The more affluent the market segment, the more likely the company is to be responsive to the wants of its customer base.

I realize mine is a Gen 1 truck. I've had new models from Tesla, that were far more reliable (3 & Y). I've had versions that were substantially changed at least from a drive train than their predecessors (Model S Plaid, and Model 3 Performance (Highland). Across my 5 Teslas, only 1 has required an unscheduled service visit and that was due to a delivery issue of panel alignment. I sold my Y to a friend and it has just broken 120k miles. Only thing that needed to be repaired was a seat issue at about 115k miles. That was for a brand new model. Obviously, Tesla had some experience building cars prior, but that is pretty solid reliability for a brand new model.

We are finally seeing enough R1's with a few miles on them to see how they will hold up long term. I hope Rivian is delaying the quad to make sure it is as good as it can be when it finally hits the streets.

 

[bmedfo1]

I am optimistic that that Gen2 quad will beat the MT review. after watching the OOS review that was the same early truck that MT tested we can see there were some traction programing issues, I belive all of the clips shot on the Drag strip TFL truck for example were after this and based on those reviews with a R1T and R1S they were not having the hard pull to the right issue and were getting claim matching results.

It is too bad that tesla got the Cybertruck so wrong by choice. It would have been so easy for them to have done less in many areas and have made something better. I am a rivian Fanboy but many other EV are starting to get the edge on us.

If Tesla made a "Cybersuv" it would dominate this segment.
Something between the X and CT. Real SUV shape, some ground clearance, 4 wheel stering, Steer by wire, Give it the Plaid tri motor (not the lower power tri that is in the CT). 800/48v systems.

It will be interesting to see what the 2025 Modle X refresh will be. Unfortunitly all this info about what is coming is going to keep me from ever getting anything. Im not buying the Tri becase the Quad is coming, by the time the quad is here, I will want to see what the new model X plaid is packing, by the time that is out the Escalade IQ V might be anounced, Then the Scouts will be coming. then Rivian will drop the R1X anouncment, then Gen3 r1. Im sick of all this speculation and wiating. maybe I just buy the Tri and block all rivian related content so I can live my life like a normal happy person. LOL

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I am optimistic that that Gen2 quad will beat the MT review. after watching the OOS review that was the same early truck that MT tested we can see there were some traction programing issues, I belive all of the clips shot on the Drag strip TFL truck for example were after this and based on those reviews with a R1T and R1S they were not having the hard pull to the right issue and were getting claim matching results.

It is too bad that tesla got the Cybertruck so wrong by choice. It would have been so easy for them to have done less in many areas and have made something better. I am a rivian Fanboy but many other EV are starting to get the edge on us.

If Tesla made a "Cybersuv" it would dominate this segment.
Something between the X and CT. Real SUV shape, some ground clearance, 4 wheel stering, Steer by wire, Give it the Plaid tri motor (not the lower power tri that is in the CT). 800/48v systems.

It will be interesting to see what the 2025 Modle X refresh will be. Unfortunitly all this info about what is coming is going to keep me from ever getting anything. Im not buying the Tri becase the Quad is coming, by the time the quad is here, I will want to see what the new model X plaid is packing, by the time that is out the Escalade IQ V might be anounced, Then the Scouts will be coming. then Rivian will drop the R1X anouncment, then Gen3 r1. Im sick of all this speculation and wiating. maybe I just buy the Tri and block all rivian related content so I can live my life like a normal happy person. LOL

There's always going to be something better. Living your life worried about the next great thing is a miserable way to live. We are living in the best time to be alive in history. All the cars you're talking about have the performance you'd need rocket motors to achieve 50 years ago. Find something you like and keep it for a reasonable amount of time, depends on your finances, then get something else.

 

[earlyretirement]

If it was less ugly, smaller blindspots, and had a nicer interior, I might have converted my reservation.

If we just accept what companies produce, they have little incentive to improve.

While I love my Rivian, it has had more issues than my last 5 Teslas put together and in total those had 30 times miles.

Rivian has built a pretty good vehicle. I hope they will continue to refine it and improve the performance though most likely they will treat the R1 series like Tesla did the S and X. The smaller ones will get most of their attention going forward.

How is Rivian with service requests when you had to take it in? I was one of the first Tesla Model S buyers back in 2012 and that thing was always in the shop! I was an early adopter and figured there would be growing pains but they always took good care of me and got me a loaner vehicle.

Does Rivian put you in an equivalent R1S loaner when it's in the shop?

I know how frustrating it is to wait. My Model X was many years late and my Roadster never arrived after years so just cancelled the order.

 

[bmedfo1]

How is Rivian with service requests when you had to take it in? I was one of the first Tesla Model S buyers back in 2012 and that thing was always in the shop! I was an early adopter and figured there would be growing pains but they always took good care of me and got me a loaner vehicle.

Does Rivian put you in an equivalent R1S loaner when it's in the shop?

I know how frustrating it is to wait. My Model X was many years late and my Roadster never arrived after years so just cancelled the order.

If what you need fixed and be done by a Mobile tech I give the experience a 10/10. They will come to your home or even better for me my work. Do what need to be done with 0 inconvenience. This is even good for something that they cat fix with a mobile visit but is some situations can diagnose that way avoiding the owner from having to make 2 trips.

If you do have to go in........
1- hopefully you dont live to far from a service location. They are expanding fast, I am in South NJ and we have one close in Trenton now but before that I had to go to Brooklyn NY and that took 3 hours and was a little crazy but I was fine with it becase I chose to get one of the first Launch editions.
2- From my experience most of the time they can not garuntee you a Rivian and then you end up having to get something from enterprise. My problem with this was that Enterprise will actually not let you tow anything behind their rentals even if the vehicle is equipped to do so. I wish the scheduling was a bit better so I could book out howerver long I needed to in order to get a rivian loaner.
3- I currently have more than one item that I need to go in for but I am putting it off as I keep on thinking my Gen 2 Quad is coming any day now and they can just fix that stuff after I trade it in, but clearly I am delusional and the Gen 2 quad is just a well documented, Tested, advertised, but also mythical unicorn that doesn't exists.

 

[earlyretirement]

If what you need fixed and be done by a Mobile tech I give the experience a 10/10. They will come to your home or even better for me my work. Do what need to be done with 0 inconvenience. This is even good for something that they cat fix with a mobile visit but is some situations can diagnose that way avoiding the owner from having to make 2 trips.

If you do have to go in........
1- hopefully you dont live to far from a service location. They are expanding fast, I am in South NJ and we have one close in Trenton now but before that I had to go to Brooklyn NY and that took 3 hours and was a little crazy but I was fine with it becase I chose to get one of the first Launch editions.
2- From my experience most of the time they can not garuntee you a Rivian and then you end up having to get something from enterprise. My problem with this was that Enterprise will actually not let you tow anything behind their rentals even if the vehicle is equipped to do so. I wish the scheduling was a bit better so I could book out howerver long I needed to in order to get a rivian loaner.
3- I currently have more than one item that I need to go in for but I am putting it off as I keep on thinking my Gen 2 Quad is coming any day now and they can just fix that stuff after I trade it in, but clearly I am delusional and the Gen 2 quad is just a well documented, Tested, advertised, but also mythical unicorn that doesn't exists.

OK thanks for that detailed response. Although I have to say it's a bummer to hear that in the event things go wrong (and it sounds like they will) that I'll get a cheap Enterprise rental.

If I can ask, what were the things that you had to take it in for and what were the mobile visits for? Also, what type of Enterprise vehicle did you get? At least something nice?

Thanks in advance.

 

[bfilippo]

OK thanks for that detailed response. Although I have to say it's a bummer to hear that in the event things go wrong (and it sounds like they will) that I'll get a cheap Enterprise rental.

If I can ask, what were the things that you had to take it in for and what were the mobile visits for? Also, what type of Enterprise vehicle did you get? At least something nice?

Thanks in advance.

I will say this depends on the SC. Here in New England the Chelsea SC does Rivian loaners because they don’t sell their demo vehicles, keeping them for this purpose instead.

 

[earlyretirement]

I will say this depends on the SC. Here in New England the Chelsea SC does Rivian loaners because they don’t sell their demo vehicles, keeping them for this purpose instead.

OK, I'm in San Diego which hopefully has a ton of vehicles.

I'm a bit bummed as last week when I bought it they told me it was being shipped down from Orange County so they said that I could probably close sooner. But today when I called they said it was being transported from Illinois and won't arrive until Friday the day before my delivery date.

They did give me the option to driving all the way up to Orange County to take delivery of one there but I didn't want to go up there.
Hopefully I won't have to take it too much into the shop but my experience with Tesla the first few years was they had kinks to work out.

But my Model X fortunately didn't have many issues at all. I had that over 9 years. I would have loved to have kept it but after 100,000 miles I had to take it in every year with one problem or another and each time it's $1,500 to $3,000 so finally throwing in the towel on it. Still own a Model Y.

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