When will R1S Quad be available for ordering???? Getting irritated with Rivian...

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None of the car mags test the same metrics except for 0-60 and 1/4 mile. I wish they'd do an 1/8th mile as well so you could more easily compare trucks/cars that are speed limited. The G1 quad can run flat out through the 1/8 but then hits the limiter.

My gen 1 quad was running 7.32-7.35 at the 1/8th, 93-96 mph. Of the videos of gen 2 I've watched, it looks to be around 107-109 mph at the 1/8th. I'm fairly sure my gen1's acceleration tapers off just after the 1/8th and hits the speed limiter a bit before 1000ft. So even if the new quad stopped at 110 mph, it'd still be substantially quicker.

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2025 R1S Quad?? I have had a deposit on a 2025 R1S Quad for six months. Lease on my Model S is up in March. Rivian is giving me NO information as to when I can order my vehicle. They say "maybe Q4, Q3 or Q2". This is not acceptable. They might lose me to Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo or G580. I am a Tesla owner (S and CT) and love the new R1S. Not smart to not keep people who have reservations on their halo vehicle in the dark.....

I imagine it will not come until Q3 or Q4 this year...Reason being they are probably still working out some of the tuning with the 4 motor system and they also want to push tri motor sales as long as they can before they become stagnant.

The prototype in the out of spec video had issues where it was pulling dangerously had to the right under hard acceleration so obviously they want it to be close to perfect before they release it, especially if there's safety concerns. They also probably want to see how the current fleet of tri motor vehicles are doing for at least 6 months as they share the same rear motor setup.

 

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@bmedfo1's thinking is inline with mine and I am not concerned as much about top speed hence the reason I am focusing metrics that matter more to me. None of the car mags test the same metrics except for 0-60 and 1/4 mile. I wish they'd do an 1/8th mile as well so you could more easily compare trucks/cars that are speed limited. The G1 quad can run flat out through the 1/8 but then hits the limiter.

So I turned to the only metric that I can reasonably compare, and get a more accurate idea, of acceleration above 60 mph. That is the 60-130 time. Since the G1 is limited, we can't really test it. Also given Rivian's speedo error, if the G2's are limited to 130, that might actually only be 127 true or so based on speedo error. So then you'll never complete a 60-130 pull.

I have data for every 10 mph interval from 0-110 for my truck and my other cars so I can easily compare to what the magazines get and have an idea. The reason I put the data for 45-65 is it is one many people can relate to such as passing on a 2 lane road.

My assumption is Rivian didn't build an 800hp+ truck and then not expect anyone to use it. I realize it is a 7k pound vehicle but I also had a very quick turbo diesel Excursion for fun and towing.

I'd like to have one vehicle to do it all as well. I realize the limitations of drag quite well. But I'd love for the Rivian to be quicker in the 60-100 range at a minimum.

I am a performance junkie but I want it with some modicum of practicality. The reason why I bought a Plaid instead of a C8 ZO6 Vette, Lambo or Ferrari. It can be just a car for me, I have to take the family a long, or at least have the possibility. Not a fan of an Urus. I have dirtbikes so a pickup is useful too. So basically I wanted a supercar/pickup and the Tesla and Rivian where the only real options, and pretty much still are.

Anyway, if the G2 quad is going to be Rivian's "halo" car, with all that extra power and torque, if it doesn't absolutely mop the floor with the CT CB, then I think they made a big mistake. Honestly, the numbers aren't pointing to that but I'll reserve judgment until we see an actual production one tested somewhere.

Each day we wait, the more likely it is that there will be other options to consider. While I like Rivian, I am not married to them as a company. I don't mind spending the money, but at that price point, I really want to get very close to what I want.

Based on the specs it doesn't seem like the gen 2 quad will "Mop the floor" with the Cybertruck Tri-Motor setup, at least 0-60. The 1/4 mile has the R1 quad winning by 1/2 a second and the R1 Tri motor is actually matched the CT CB number at 11 seconds. So it will definitely pull harder once it hits 30 -60 mph.

There are other things to consider, like owning a R1 vs a Cybertruck...that has some stigma in today's world. The CT has also shown to have sketchy craftsmanship with parts flying off / breaking at an alarming rate. IMO the CT has the worst reliability record of any Tesla since the original Roadster.

 

[bmedfo1]

Im getting closer and closer to pulling the trigger on the Escalade IQ every day as the dealers are starting to mark them down. It’s just going to be a lot more truck for the same amount as the quad will end up.

 

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Im getting closer and closer to pulling the trigger on the Escalade IQ every day as the dealers are starting to mark them down. It’s just going to be a lot more truck for the same amount as the quad will end up.

Sorry but these are not a good comparison at all...Where are you seeing the similarities? Escalade IQ is a dual motor setup first of all. Why not get a dual or tri motor R1S if your alternative is the Escalade IQ, also the IQ looks bad compared to the IQL.

Again, how are you comparing the quad specifically to the IQ? They are nowhere close on performance outside of that the powertrain would be worse than the Tri Motor and on par with the dual motor. What is stopping you from just getting a Tri Motor?

Side note, have you driven a Cadillac electric? I tried the Lyriq and it was not a great experience compared to the Rivian. The initial acceleration ins't there. Despite being quoted 0-60 in 4.6 seconds it's a dud from 0 and doesn't pickup until 30 mph which is not what I'm used to.

The screens and controls in the Lyriq were also abysmal in my opinion. It was a Turo rental but I won't be buying any Cadillac Electric models unless they change their software / UI / user experience.

 

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Sorry but these are not a good comparison at all...Where are you seeing the similarities? Escalade IQ is a dual motor setup first of all. Why not get a dual or tri motor R1S if your alternative is the Escalade IQ, also the IQ looks bad compared to the IQL.

Again, how are you comparing the quad specifically to the IQ? They are nowhere close on performance outside of that the powertrain would be worse than the Tri Motor and on par with the dual motor. What is stopping you from just getting a Tri Motor?

Side note, have you driven a Cadillac electric? I tried the Lyriq and it was not a great experience compared to the Rivian. The initial acceleration ins't there. Despite being quoted 0-60 in 4.6 seconds it's a dud from 0 and doesn't pickup until 30 mph which is not what I'm used to.

The screens and controls in the Lyriq were also abysmal in my opinion. It was a Turo rental but I won't be buying any Cadillac Electric models unless they change their software / UI / user experience.

You are correct. Very different vehicles indeed but they both fall in the luxury 7 passenger all electric SUV segment that has only a handful of you exclude crossovers. I guess for me performance is kind of on or off. The Iq it’s just off. I’m comparing the quad to the Iq because that’s the budget. While you are right that the dual r1s will out preform the Iq. I have driven the Iq and aside from acceleration it was imo a significant step up. Rear wheel steering, active noise cancellation. Massage seats, just plain road presence. 460 mile range. 800v, were all big factors for me that put together have me questioning continuing to wait to pay about the same for the gen2 quad.

 

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You are correct. Very different vehicles indeed but they both fall in the luxury 7 passenger all electric SUV segment that has only a handful of you exclude crossovers. I guess for me performance is kind of on or off. The Iq it’s just off. I’m comparing the quad to the Iq because that’s the budget. While you are right that the dual r1s will out preform the Iq. I have driven the Iq and aside from acceleration it was imo a significant step up. Rear wheel steering, active noise cancellation. Massage seats, just plain road presence. 460 mile range. 800v, were all big factors for me that put together have me questioning continuing to wait to pay about the same for the gen2 quad.

Yeah I suppose it's about your priorities. I did not like the following in the Lyriq:

UI/Interface
On/Off Button
Massaging Seats were not great imo
Cameras sucked / display was tiny and lack of the ability to keep rear camera on was annoying
Initial acceleration was very bad
Outside of all this it was "fine" but I wouldn't be compelled to buy one (just my opinion)

The difference between the Tri and the Quad is very minimal. Basically everything is the same except minor performance...It sounds like you want the IQ more. I would go for the IQL if you are leaning that way as it looks better and has more room for passengers.

 

[bmedfo1]

I will probably hold out through the start of the 2nd quarter to see what happens after the $6k off the tri is over.

I’m ready to upgrade and definitely getting the Osborn effect by knowing the gen2 quad is coming. I keep on holding onto my dream that they do something to significantly differentiate the new quad other than the turquoise that only us Rivian guys will recognize. This next vehicle for me is a real “treat yourself / splurge” and while 99% of the time I just care about enjoying the drive at the $120k + price range (guessing with some options) I do kind of want something a little more BOLD than the look of every other rivian of all trims for the last 4 years and my current that will get traded in for under 50k.

 

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I will probably hold out through the start of the 2nd quarter to see what happens after the $6k off the tri is over.

I’m ready to upgrade and definitely getting the Osborn effect by knowing the gen2 quad is coming. I keep on holding onto my dream that they do something to significantly differentiate the new quad other than the turquoise that only us Rivian guys will recognize. This next vehicle for me is a real “treat yourself / splurge” and while 99% of the time I just care about enjoying the drive at the $120k + price range (guessing with some options) I do kind of want something a little more BOLD than the look of every other rivian of all trims for the last 4 years and my current that will get traded in for under 50k.

Honestly not a fan of the color of the brake calipers and the accent on the badge for the Quad...Does not look good with Black Exterior Color IMO. I think they did that with only Storm Blue in mind? Otherwise it's kinda not great...

Yeah I don't expect anything crazy that will set the Quad apart from the Tri as far as ascetics are concerned. I could be wrong but I don't expect them to want to deviate from shared parts that much with the expected low take volume on the Quad.

 

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Rivian projected a year ago that they would be out in 2025 and now in 2025 you think they might be able to give us an estimate of what part of 2025 the car will be available. They’ve had a whole year to prepare for the announcement of availability.

 

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Rivian projected a year ago that they would be out in 2025 and now in 2025 you think they might be able to give us an estimate of what part of 2025 the car will be available. They’ve had a whole year to prepare for the announcement of availability.

Again, it’s still Q1 25. They’re trying to push Tri. I think it will be late Q2 or early Q3.

 

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Based on the specs it doesn't seem like the gen 2 quad will "Mop the floor" with the Cybertruck Tri-Motor setup, at least 0-60. The 1/4 mile has the R1 quad winning by 1/2 a second and the R1 Tri motor is actually matched the CT CB number at 11 seconds. So it will definitely pull harder once it hits 30 -60 mph.

There are other things to consider, like owning a R1 vs a Cybertruck...that has some stigma in today's world. The CT has also shown to have sketchy craftsmanship with parts flying off / breaking at an alarming rate. IMO the CT has the worst reliability record of any Tesla since the original Roadster.

I’ve looked at all the data I could get to compare these trucks. I am not sure on the street if the Rivian will meet or beet the the CT despite having a lot more power. Put the CT on sticky tires like the G2 quad and I think it could beat the G2 quad. Even my G1 quad has traction issues to 60.

Most of us aren’t running full 1/4 miles but it is an interesting metric to compare. I’d love to see 1/8th mile times.

One metric that is out there to show more of what I’d call midrange acceleration is MotorTrend’ 45-65 time. I‘ve posted those numbers elsewhere but the CT beats any First two numbers below are from MT’s test results, the last 2 are numbers I’ve personally tested. With the caveat that neither of those truck were at a full SoC and the packs weren’t super warm and the ambient temps were the 40’. There is some room for them to go a little quicker but I am positive the G1 won’t make it into the `1.3’s but the G2 Tri might run a 1.3x time.

CT CB - 1.1 seconds
G2 Quad - 1.2
G2 Tri - 1.42
G1 Quad - 1.48

This is a speed range that a lot of people can easily experience every day and the CT clearly pulls the G2 Quad. For reference my Plaid is always under a second even when I’ve tested it with an SoC as low as 30%. At 60% and above it is .91 or better and is traction limited.

It looks like the G2 quad will only pull the CT above 70 or so with, and maybe not significantly, until you get close to triple digits. That is not the operating envelope I am in most of the time where I live.

Rivian needs to do more with the new quad. All that extra power, stickier tires, and not that much to really show for it until at pretty high speeds.

 

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I’ve looked at all the data I could get to compare these trucks. I am not sure on the street if the Rivian will meet or beet the the CT despite having a lot more power. Put the CT on sticky tires like the G2 quad and I think it could beat the G2 quad. Even my G1 quad has traction issues to 60.

Most of us aren’t running full 1/4 miles but it is an interesting metric to compare. I’d love to see 1/8th mile times.

One metric that is out there to show more of what I’d call midrange acceleration is MotorTrend’ 45-65 time. I‘ve posted those numbers elsewhere but the CT beats any First two numbers below are from MT’s test results, the last 2 are numbers I’ve personally tested. With the caveat that neither of those truck were at a full SoC and the packs weren’t super warm and the ambient temps were the 40’. There is some room for them to go a little quicker but I am positive the G1 won’t make it into the `1.3’s but the G2 Tri might run a 1.3x time.

CT CB - 1.1 seconds
G2 Quad - 1.2
G2 Tri - 1.42
G1 Quad - 1.48

This is a speed range that a lot of people can easily experience every day and the CT clearly pulls the G2 Quad. For reference my Plaid is always under a second even when I’ve tested it with an SoC as low as 30%. At 60% and above it is .91 or better and is traction limited.

It looks like the G2 quad will only pull the CT above 70 or so with, and maybe not significantly, until you get close to triple digits. That is not the operating envelope I am in most of the time where I live.

Rivian needs to do more with the new quad. All that extra power, stickier tires, and not that much to really show for it until at pretty high speeds.

Honestly it's kinda nit picking at this point...Teslas are pretty much one trick ponies. Rivians are much nicer and the Quad still has more power and is faster overall. Lets be clear here, the quad isn't even in production yet so everything is speculation at this point. Based on the numbers they have provided it will beat the CT on every metric. Also you aren't getting speed limited if you're in launch mode.

 

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I’ve looked at all the data I could get to compare these trucks. I am not sure on the street if the Rivian will meet or beet the the CT despite having a lot more power. Put the CT on sticky tires like the G2 quad and I think it could beat the G2 quad. Even my G1 quad has traction issues to 60.

Most of us aren’t running full 1/4 miles but it is an interesting metric to compare. I’d love to see 1/8th mile times.

One metric that is out there to show more of what I’d call midrange acceleration is MotorTrend’ 45-65 time. I‘ve posted those numbers elsewhere but the CT beats any First two numbers below are from MT’s test results, the last 2 are numbers I’ve personally tested. With the caveat that neither of those truck were at a full SoC and the packs weren’t super warm and the ambient temps were the 40’. There is some room for them to go a little quicker but I am positive the G1 won’t make it into the `1.3’s but the G2 Tri might run a 1.3x time.

CT CB - 1.1 seconds
G2 Quad - 1.2
G2 Tri - 1.42
G1 Quad - 1.48

This is a speed range that a lot of people can easily experience every day and the CT clearly pulls the G2 Quad. For reference my Plaid is always under a second even when I’ve tested it with an SoC as low as 30%. At 60% and above it is .91 or better and is traction limited.

It looks like the G2 quad will only pull the CT above 70 or so with, and maybe not significantly, until you get close to triple digits. That is not the operating envelope I am in most of the time where I live.

Rivian needs to do more with the new quad. All that extra power, stickier tires, and not that much to really show for it until at pretty high speeds.

I don't see any point in comparing it to a CT, as getting one of those isn't an option. The CT could shit gold bricks while driving down the road, and I still wouldn't drive one as it's not worth driving something that ugly and desperate for attention.

 

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I don't see any point in comparing it to a CT, as getting one of those isn't an option. The CT could shit gold bricks while driving down the road, and I still wouldn't drive one as it's not worth driving something that ugly and desperate for attention.

100% and I think most are getting the R1S not the R1T quad do you can’t sinister a “truck” to a 7 seater SUV.

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