Coast to coast race: Model Y vs R2 (ABRP simulation)

[Jeremy3292]

BMW is better, even with the OOS Juniper video:

iX3 at 70mph: 3.8mi/kwh
Juniper at 70mph: 3.6mi/kwh. Screenshot attached from that video

You asked about mpge specifically at 70 mph, which is the math I did. Not sure why but that was the metric in question

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[DuoRivians]

You asked about mpge specifically at 70 mph, which is the math I did. Not sure why but that was the metric in question

If you want wh/mi at 70mph test

iX3: 264wh/mi
Juniper: 275wh/mi

 

[Jeremy3292]

If you want wh/mi at 70mph test

iX3: 264wh/mi
Juniper: 275wh/mi

No sorry, still wrong.

BMW iX3:

385 miles / 109 kWh usable = 3.53 mi/kWh

Model Y AWD:

298 miles / 75 kWh usable = 3.97 mi/kWh

 

[DuoRivians]

No sorry, still wrong.

BMW iX3:

385 miles / 109 kWh usable = 3.53 mi/kWh

Model Y AWD:

298 miles / 75 kWh usable = 3.97 mi/kWh

The IX3 wasn’t driven to empty. They stopped well short, and only drove 300 miles. I’m quoting the mi/kwh during those 300 miles.

And if you’re going to cite the OOS video, cite it properly without fudging with your own calculations

 

[Apprunner]

I disagree (and have 2 Teslas presently). Never cared for the MY look, everywhere I go I see “bought this before…”, MY and R2 aren’t even true competitors (Y is just a stretched out 3). With similar pricing, the R2 will absolutely outsell the Y 3 to 1, if they can scale production quickly.

Tesla really messed up with the CT, if they just made a basic SUV they would have done really well, instead Rivian has filled that gap.

Pricing isn't similar though. Model Y is much cheaper and has much more range at the lower levels. I think R2 will always be perceived as more premium and won't catch the sales of the Model Y anytime soon. Time will tell

 

[DuoRivians]

I disagree (and have 2 Teslas presently). Never cared for the MY look, everywhere I go I see “bought this before…”, MY and R2 aren’t even true competitors (Y is just a stretched out 3). With similar pricing, the R2 will absolutely outsell the Y 3 to 1, if they can scale production quickly.

Tesla really messed up with the CT, if they just made a basic SUV they would have done really well, instead Rivian has filled that gap.

I strongly disagree the R2 would outsell the Juniper by 3:1 even if Rivian production was there. Maybe 1:1 at best

Also, Tesla has the ability to cut prices by $3-4K if they felt they needed to.

 

[DuoRivians]

You’re insufferable man. I’m out.

Later

 

[ksurfier]

I strongly disagree the R2 would outsell the Juniper by 3:1 even if Rivian production was there. Maybe 1:1 at best

Also, Tesla has the ability to cut prices by $3-4K if they felt they needed to.

I definitely don't see them on the same playing field, at all, it's like comparing the 4runner to the prius...nope

 

[DuoRivians]

I definitely don't see them on the same playing field, at all, it's like comparing the 4runner to the prius...nope

You’re right. They look different and possibly serve different needs. But I also think the market for “real” suvs isnt that big, and 95%+ R2’s will never touch dirt roads.

I think plenty are content with crossovers, and that ultimately, pricing is more important.

I think Tesla has a strong base among potential EV customers, and I don’t think the R2 is compelling enough to conquer Tesla customers in large numbers. But I could see 1:1 sales between the two brands.

 

[ksurfier]

You’re right. They look different and possibly serve different needs. But I also think the market for “real” suvs isnt that big, and 95%+ R2’s will never touch dirt roads.

I think plenty are content with crossovers, and that ultimately, pricing is more important.

I think Tesla has a strong base among potential EV customers, and I don’t think the R2 is compelling enough to conquer Tesla customers in large numbers. But I could see 1:1 sales between the two brands.

Possibly serve different needs! Holy chit we got a chat bot!!!

 

[Jeremy3292]

Possibly serve different needs! Holy chit we got a chat bot!!!

Just block him, easier to go about your day.

 

[DuoRivians]

Just block him, easier to go about your day.

Ditto, already ignored you. Can’t block completely—wish I could. I’ve been here a long time to see the longer arc of Rivian playing out right now. Lots of people start out as fanboys, then realize Rivian comes up short

 

[LevelHeaded]

I think plenty are content with crossovers

Good, because the R2 is a crossover. The MY is more of a hatchback. Both have inflated their classifications for marketing purposes.

But the R2 designed is more inspired by SUVs. Kind of like a bronco sport compared to an escape.

 

[ksurfier]

Ditto, already ignored you. Can’t block completely—wish I could. I’ve been here a long time to see the longer arc of Rivian playing out right now. Lots of people start out as fanboys, then realize Rivian comes up short

While I haven’t evaluated your entire body of work it appears you got lost or took a wrong turn, you won’t find much Tesla love here on a website with Rivian in the name.

 

[DuoRivians]

While I haven’t evaluated your entire body of work it appears you got lost or took a wrong turn, you won’t find much Tesla love here on a website with Rivian in the name.

I don’t love Tesla either. I’ll never buy another fascist mobile and I avoid superchargers. But, the MY’s numbers are the numbers.

I’m here because I own two Rivians currently and it’s informative to share my experience with others, and my learning from the community. But, after over three years with the Rivian brand, I’m not sure if I’m going to get another Rivian. There seems to be plenty of people who feel the same way, so I’m not an outlier.

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