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Are we all going to complain when they decide to update to 800V architecture without warning you 6 months in advance that they were going to do it so that you could tell your guide to delay your shipment for 6 months???
That's a loaded question. Of course people will be complaining about it, and rightfully so. Rivian's updating architecture stuff is going to be complicated if there isn't a distinct cut-off line based on model year orders, like would be typical for legacy auto.
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Another misstep IMHO by them to announce something, change the system but dont have the systems in the background built yet to accommodate. They should announce AFTER their site can support it. Good luck on your Xmas present and Im sure they will take care of you off line somehow.
This is a common issue with integrated systems, not always possible to roll everything out at once. Sometimes you need to release updates on one system in order to move forward on new changes when an integrated update may not be ready yet.

We used to roll things out with similar caveats of the other pieces will be available later. If they are fully integrated and would break functionality it is not possible but when it is only a reference item like this, happens all of the time.
 

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So you have no issue with them removing the 20" AT spare tire you have listed in your sig configuration?
You know you can not get that tire/wheel/TPMS/jack/mount/handle from the SC or Gear Shop currently right? Hope you don't get a blowout....
I think I’d be okay with this if I was taking delivery between now and the end of the year if Rivian had committed to a date for the items to be available in the gear shop. However, their commitment of, “In early 2023…” doesn’t mean much based upon past similar commitments from Rivian.

If they DO make these items available in, say, the month of January then I hope they will fulfill adventure gear orders placed by vehicle owners and then the orders placed by people with an assigned VIN, and finally people who have placed deposits. Orders for adventure gear by people without at least a deposit placed with Rivian probably shouldn’t be fulfilled for the foreseeable future. Quantities should probably be limited, too.

I’d hate to see people with trucks unable to get gear they need while others who’ve placed a deposit have gear gathering dust in their garage waiting for vehicle delivery and eBay type sellers (no deposit paid) are profiting off the situation by buying opportunistically and selling for a profit.
 

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That's a loaded question. Of course people will be complaining about it, and rightfully so. Rivian's updating architecture stuff is going to be complicated if there isn't a distinct cut-off line based on model year orders, like would be typical for legacy auto.
I mean it's not that loaded. It's bad if the configuration you wanted gets canceled like the explore trim or they get rid of the color you liked. But you have the option to buy with the available options. Nobody is forcing anybody to take something they don't want.

As for updates and improvements, you ordered the car as spec'd today. If they improve it before your order comes up, are you going to say nooooo, I don't want the free update? If they improve it after your order comes up, you got what you ordered. Annoying, but you got what you ordered. It's not worth complaining about because someone who took delivery after you got the update. If you want the update, sell your current car and buy a new one. Oh the new one costs more? Well how bad did you want the update or did you just want something that you didn't ask for for free?
 

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Holy cow are people entitled around here! Thread title starts with news that Rivian has just improved the range by 14 miles! Good news. But this discussion is fixated on how the ordering process for the accessories have changed? Srsly. They are keeping prices the same (I would raise them) and there is now just the tiniest bit of inconvenience in requiring a separate order for stuff like a floor mats and the compact spare.
 

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I mean it's not that loaded. It's bad if the configuration you wanted gets canceled like the explore trim or they get rid of the color you liked. But you have the option to buy with the available options. Nobody is forcing anybody to take something they don't want.

As for updates and improvements, you ordered the car as spec'd today. If they improve it before your order comes up, are you going to say nooooo, I don't want the free update? If they improve it after your order comes up, you got what you ordered. Annoying, but you got what you ordered. It's not worth complaining about because someone who took delivery after you got the update. If you want the update, sell your current car and buy a new one. Oh the new one costs more? Well how bad did you want the update or did you just want something that you didn't ask for for free?
That's the thing about a reservation. It's not an order, it's a place in line. Maybe I should be putting myself in line again every 6 months. If Rivian demands I take delivery of a vehicle but they have announced significant changes within 6 months, I cancel that one.
 
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This is a common issue with integrated systems, not always possible to roll everything out at once. Sometimes you need to release updates on one system in order to move forward on new changes when an integrated update may not be ready yet.

We used to roll things out with similar caveats of the other pieces will be available later. If they are fully integrated and would break functionality it is not possible but when it is only a reference item like this, happens all of the time.
I've been in this game since Jan 2019, so Ive seen all the announcements from the beginning. I think the concern from some is that they continue to chip away at the ease of buying this vehicle. For me, I can handle not financing a few grand in accessories (even though they said they might address in future) but it could be a hassle to compete with everyone to get some important items that I dont consider assessories, like the spare wheel. If they would mention you will have priority access to these items to soften the take away, they could make it a potential negative into more of a positive. Originally they talk about making this hassle free, no dealer involved, deliver to your door and its not that now. Its a minor blip on the whole grand scheme and Im in the long haul and if it helps them deliver the vehicles faster Im all for it.
 

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That's the thing about a reservation. It's not an order, it's a place in line.
Yep, and if your place in line means you get your car before someone else and that other person gets an update you didn't, stinks, but you can always hop back in line for an updated version.

I feel sorry for all the current owners that are going to have to look at updated versions and colors in a couple years and feel like they should've waited to order for a couple years and driven a crappier car for 2 more years. But wait, if they waited 2 more years, they'd feel like they should've waited another 2 years when the significant updates happen 4 years from now...
 

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I know this is the internet, but seriously, I am surprised that this is even halfway controversial..... They said they'd maintain pricing in the gear shop in early 2023. They are a business and they should be allowed to change their operating model, how they sell and features offered.

Are we all going to complain when they decide to update to 800V architecture without warning you 6 months in advance that they were going to do it so that you could tell your guide to delay your shipment for 6 months??? Rivian is allowed to update how they sell their cars. They are allowed to update features offered.
I'm not so worried about things like cross bars and floor mats, but the spare tire is an issue for me. We are planning on towing a 7k boat and trailer, and a blow out without a spare could really put a damper on an otherwise 20 min. fix.
 

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I wonder how they intend on dealing with GVWR stickers adding options later.
 

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Holy cow are people entitled around here! Thread title starts with news that Rivian has just improved the range by 14 miles! Good news. But this discussion is fixated on how the ordering process for the accessories have changed? Srsly. They are keeping prices the same (I would raise them) and there is now just the tiniest bit of inconvenience in requiring a separate order for stuff like a floor mats and the compact spare.
Haha, when I started this I wondered what people would be more focused on: The mileage or the adventure gear (I almost did two threads, lesson learned.) Guess we see what won. I wonder HOW they got the mileage better and if there is more gains to be had in that or in other ways. If it's just "We unlocked more of the battery" that's less exciting than it being "we found some motor efficiencies and improved regen while eliminating some vampire drain." Wonder if they'll let anyone know what they did, exactly.

Honestly, the removal of the gear I find annoying but obviously not a dealbreaker. I do think not having the spare tire as a selection is a bit silly. And also, let's not pretend financing wouldn't be nice if you're going all in with the Tent + Camp Kitchen + a bunch of other stuff. That could total $10k. Of course it'd be nice to have financing on all of that and have it all just included in one bill, even if that amount is pocket change to some of the people here.
 

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And for all of those that thinking I'm just being a grouch about it - let's look at all of the stuff they have taken away since my order. Yes, I realize I can get some of these back, that's not the point because I can buy them 3rd party too. SOME you simply can't.

5 seater - GONE....
Max Pack - GONE.....
Floor Mats - GONE....
Cargo bars - GONE....
Field Kit - GONE...
Recovery Kit - GONE....

My Confidence in Rivian - GOING, GOING, GONE.....


Keep this up Rivian and

My order - GONE....
 

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I'm not so worried about things like cross bars and floor mats, but the spare tire is an issue for me. We are planning on towing a 7k boat and trailer, and a blow out without a spare could really put a damper on an otherwise 20 min. fix.
Yeah, they'll have the spare tire in the gear shop. And it's not like they're going to stop making whatever came with the spare that is not in the gear shop today. I wouldn't assume that they'll leave owners hanging without a jack.

I agree, the spare option should be part of the configuration because that seems to be an industry standard. But sounds like you can still order a spare separately, which is what I will do when my order comes up.
 

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Yeah, they'll have the spare tire in the gear shop....
Well, the $1,00,000 question is exactly when will it be available to purchase?

Some of us are expecting our vehicles to be delivered in the next few weeks and they suddenly removed a crucial piece of safety gear at the last second?

Their promise of "s00n" is a joke at this point... If on my (60mi) drive home from the SC I get a blowout.. "s00n" isn't going to fill the void in the spare tire storage bay in the bed of the truck.


It's easy to say "it's not an issue" when you already have your Rivian or your delivery is still a few months out.... but it is a big issue for those getting vehicles delivered before the spare tire is made available for purchase "early next year".
 
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Haha, when I started this I wondered what people would be more focused on: The mileage or the adventure gear (I almost did two threads, lesson learned.) Guess we see what won. I wonder HOW they got the mileage better and if there is more gains to be had in that or in other ways. If it's just "We unlocked more of the battery" that's less exciting than it being "we found some motor efficiencies and improved regen while eliminating some vampire drain." Wonder if they'll let anyone know what they did, exactly.

Honestly, the removal of the gear I find annoying but obviously not a dealbreaker. I do think not having the spare tire as a selection is a bit silly. And also, let's not pretend financing wouldn't be nice if you're going all in with the Tent + Camp Kitchen + a bunch of other stuff. That could total $10k. Of course it'd be nice to have financing on all of that and have it all just included in one bill, even if that amount is pocket change to some of the people here.
On the mileage I think they already said this:

"Improved battery longevity, battery durability, and regenerative braking performance. Also enhanced regen availability, and you can use regen for longer durations." quote is from Electrek article on this here

I took that to mean they improved the regen and also are allowing us to use 'battery cushion' that existed at the top and bottom of the pack.

On the other topic I think the accessories adding up over $10k is part of the issue. The bank doesn't want to consider that part of collateral (since you could sell the accessories at your will).
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