Rivian should focus on features that set them apart from the rest of the industry, not AA/CP.

[Dark-Fx]

As demonstrated by Subaru, Lucid, and others

I don't know about subaru but I don't think Lucid supports AA/CP?

Polestar promised CP when the vehicle was first shipping but they took something like 18 months to actually enable it. They don't support AA yet. But hey, apparently these things are incredibly easy to implement so who knows why they would take so long.

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[SoCal Rob]

I don't know about subaru but I don't think Lucid supports AA/CP?

Polestar promised CP when the vehicle was first shipping but they took something like 18 months to actually enable it. They don't support AA yet. But hey, apparently these things are incredibly easy to implement so who knows why they would take so long.

I recall seeing it on a video released by Lucid a while ago. Maybe when they opened their ordering? I did a quick search and I think that it isn’t released, though they had a working version back in July they were demoing. https://insideevs.com/news/597966/lucid-air-apple-car-play-spotted/amp/

Lucid has promised screen projection via AA/CP as long as I can remember, probably because they sell a luxury product and know that to many people, choice can be a component of luxury.

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[Dark-Fx]

I recall seeing it on a video released by Lucid a while ago. Maybe when they opened their ordering? I did a quick search and I think that it isn’t released, though they had a working version back in July they were demoing. https://insideevs.com/news/597966/lucid-air-apple-car-play-spotted/amp/

Lucid has promised screen projection via AA/CP as long as I can remember, probably because they sell a luxury product and know that to many people, choice can be a component of luxury.

Guess it's more about the illusion of choice then.

 

[DJG]

I don't know about subaru but I don't think Lucid supports AA/CP?

Polestar promised CP when the vehicle was first shipping but they took something like 18 months to actually enable it. They don't support AA yet. But hey, apparently these things are incredibly easy to implement so who knows why they would take so long.

Lucid doesn't, they keep delaying it because their own system is an abject failure and they need to focus on that before adding more to the plate.

 

[SoCal Rob]

Guess it's more about the illusion of choice then.

You can see it that way if you choose to. I’d call it intention of choice with ongoing work to make the intention a reality.

 

[Gustev]

Biggest reason for having CarPlay/AA is my phone are usually updated every couple of years. So the connectivity stays up to date. . Before our Evoque was 5 years old the 3g connection was shutdown and no longer usable. Apple CarPlay is still running fine.
It maybe years before LTE is discontinued(I don’t believe it’s a 5g connection) but software that needs data will be useless at some point in an $80000 vehicle do the cellular connection.

 

[SoCal Rob]

Biggest reason for having CarPlay/AA is my phone are usually updated every couple of years. So the connectivity stays up to date. . Before our Evoque was 5 years old the 3g connection was shutdown and no longer usable. Apple CarPlay is still running fine.
It maybe years before LTE is discontinued(I don’t believe it’s a 5g connection) but software that needs data will be useless at some point in an $80000 vehicle do the cellular connection.

Plus, when it stops working Rivian loses the revenue stream from the connectivity. If they charge for screen projection the money continues to flow in.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Biggest reason for having CarPlay/AA is my phone are usually updated every couple of years. So the connectivity stays up to date. . Before our Evoque was 5 years old the 3g connection was shutdown and no longer usable. Apple CarPlay is still running fine.
It maybe years before LTE is discontinued(I don’t believe it’s a 5g connection) but software that needs data will be useless at some point in an $80000 vehicle do the cellular connection.

There's no reason that they couldn't support data over your phone's wifi hotspot, nor offer updating the modems as several manufacturers have. I think AT&T announced their sunset for 3G at least three years ahead of time.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Plus, when it stops working Rivian loses the revenue stream from the connectivity. If they charge for screen projection the money continues to flow in.

ugh, please no.

 

[SoCal Rob]

ugh, please no.

Why would you care when I assume this doesn’t affect you?

 

[Dark-Fx]

Why would you care when I assume this doesn’t affect you?

I'll have to start another thread

 

[SoCal Rob]

I'll have to start another thread

I can’t see how this fits in your goal of reducing chatter about screen projection, but I won’t discourage you from showing Rivian that people simply won’t stop asking for AA/CP.
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[Dark-Fx]

I can’t see how this fits in your goal of reducing chatter about screen projection, but I won’t discourage you from showing Rivian that people simply won’t stop asking for AA/CP.
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That thread will be "Rivian should be making you pay for this feature that they spent time implementing that isn't required to be used". I'll only bother if they actually start charging for it though.

 

[DJG]

If CP/AA were truly a free lunch that had only positives and no negatives as the proponents allege, it would be included already, end of story. Rivian is not denying it just to annoy people, they are acting in their own self interest which you can always count on a business to do. That's their entire reason for existence.

Likewise, it was in every legacy OEM's best interest to include them, because they were caught flat footed, and they operate/d in a intensely competitive business where there was little margin for error and products are largely interchangeable. They had no in house capabilities other than some guy named Steve that went to night school, so the choice was clear. They would have had to immediately convince a bunch of silicon valley software engineers to work for Big Auto, and even then it would have taken years to develop a competitive alternative, which they couldn't afford to do. They implemented them while chuckling and saying, "yeah, you got us there Apple/Google, nice one you rascals...."

Rivian (and Tesla) have native systems already far better than any legacy OEM has developed in the decades that they supposedly have had to develop them, in no small part because they HAD to. Rivian's was one of the reasons I bought it because it was such a cleaner and more enjoyable experience than the cobbled together one from Audi (which is one of if not best of the legacy OEM's). They aren't giving themselves the crutch of just saying, oh well if we fail people will just use CP. That's exactly the culture and environment that promotes innovation and competition. And it's why allowing those apps will be hurtful to their own efforts, just like it has doomed their OEM counterparts. Having a plan B is a good way to ensure Plan A fails, and that's something startups know well.

Just like others say you don't have to choose to use CP/AA if it's offered, you don't have to choose to buy a Rivian/Tesla, so it goes both ways. But one thing that sure as hell won't support your argument is buying one anyway. The only thing that will ever convince them to change course is lack of sales. Criticism and requests are worthless noise otherwise.

In what other part of the business world would it make sense strategically to offer a competitor's product in conjunction with your own, because choice is good for the consumer? Do Apple and Google openly allow you to run each other's OS on their phones? A vehicle is no different, even if the legacy OEM's have provided a terrible example.

And for my last part - if anyone thinks that by giving Apple/Google a total duopoly on all vehicle infotainment systems (in addition to phone software), and they won't use that power to extract profit from it, they are totally delusional. The play has been a long one, but make no mistake, it's a business play. Let's say Rivian and Tesla hold firm, but the 95% of the market keeps playing along. If Apple and Google suddenly say that CP/AA are going to cost $100/mo per vehicle, there is nothing that can be done about it. None of them will have any choice but to comply, and none of them have the margins to absorb that cost. That's what happens when you hand over control, but worse, when everyone does.

 

[moosehead]

That thread will be "Rivian should be making you pay for this feature that they spent time implementing that isn't required to be used". I'll only bother if they actually start charging for it though.

Keep your keyboard warm, interpreting Tony C's Membership Rivianese email, they're gonna start charging by end of day today.

Can't wait to pay monthly for the stellar Rivian NAV system. 60% of the time it's right every time.

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