Second guessing R1T "purchase"

[izgoy]

Yes, cancel it. No point to get a panic attack over a vehicle purchase. If it feels wrong, you are making the wrong decision. The first feeling you get is always correct. Why pay $100,000 for a vehicle and then hate it?

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[Donald Stanfield]

OK guys lets chill out. Donald Stanfield, have you driven a Raptor/F150? The F150 is much more comfortable and easy to drive than my R1T, rides smoother, 1800lbs lighter, and handling may be better or not because that is quite a subjective experience to most. In my R1T the seats for my frame (just under 6'5) are terrible and the standard regen is just too much for me. My F150 drove much better and was more comfortable to boot.

That said the R1T handles like my Model Y with more bodyroll, if you are nit picky. From my experiencing hauling camp gear the truck has nearly the same storage capacity as the F150 if you include the gear tunnel and frunc, but I'd give the edge to my F150 because of bed height.

OK that said I have a bit of buyer's remorse as well. There are a lot of quirks about the Rivian coming from a traditional vehicle like an F150. I was wavering between the R1T and a new Bronco. Honestly the seats suck, the truck's software needs improvement: tripometer isn't on the main screen, it locks itself into park while in reverse if you open the door to visually check if you're going to hit a rock, the key fob doesn't work very well, you can't turn off or turn down the regen, some aspects of the build quality are iffy, my headlight system is broken after 2 weeks of ownership, we all experience nightly vampire drain, when unlocked the door handles stick out--temping theives in the event you forgot to lock your truck, there's no USB ports to play music from a thumb drive, and I could go on. But it is a new vehicle from a new manufacturer and a lot of these are software correctable problems, and could be fixed if and when Rivian takes the time to address them.

Personally I'm still on the fence and may sell it for a Bronco if the R1Ts go up in value now that most of the early bird pricing models have been sold.

Yeah I have driven an f150 and no handling is not at all subjective. Does it go fast and remain planted around turns is what handling means. How well does it handle around corners and the answer to that is hands down the Rivian is better. That is a factual statement not a matter of opinion. Things like seat comfort ARE subjective however. Admittedly I'm 5'10" and as someone who is average height for a man the seats in the Rivian are plenty big and comfortable for me. I don't need a giant seat.

I don't think the bed height matters and if it does you can change it on the Rivian where you cannot do so on the F150. Also regen is one of the things I love the most about the Rivian. You can be so incredibly accurate in modulating your speed with one pedal driving and it's so much easier and less stressful to use than the two pedal system not to mention less wear and tear on mechanical components.

I don't open the doors of a vehicle I'm in while driving ever so I've never had that issue. The door handles sticking out when unlocked and closed while locked is an excellent and easy visual reminder to tell you the status of the truck. From 15' away I can tell if my Rivian is locked, can you tell that with your F150? Didn't think so. So really most of your things are subjective when my points are actual hard data.

 

[mini2nut]

Go with your gut. It’s rarely wrong.

My opinion? At the “old” pricing I felt the Quad motor R1T with the no charge Ocean Coast interior was a decent value.

I never would have purchased my R1T under the new Rivian pricing structure. It’s simply too expensive for what you get.

 

[SurfnBike]

Yeah I have driven an f150 and no handling is not at all subjective. Does it go fast and remain planted around turns is what handling means. How well does it handle around corners and the answer to that is hands down the Rivian is better. That is a factual statement not a matter of opinion. Things like seat comfort ARE subjective however. Admittedly I'm 5'10" and as someone who is average height for a man the seats in the Rivian are plenty big and comfortable for me. I don't need a giant seat.

I don't think the bed height matters and if it does you can change it on the Rivian where you cannot do so on the F150. Also regen is one of the things I love the most about the Rivian. You can be so incredibly accurate in modulating your speed with one pedal driving and it's so much easier and less stressful to use than the two pedal system not to mention less wear and tear on mechanical components.

I don't open the doors of a vehicle I'm in while driving ever so I've never had that issue. The door handles sticking out when unlocked and closed while locked is an excellent and easy visual reminder to tell you the status of the truck. From 15' away I can tell if my Rivian is locked, can you tell that with your F150? Didn't think so. So really most of your things are subjective when my points are actual hard data.

No point in arguing someone like you, you're always right, everyone else is wrong!

Have a great day.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

No point in arguing someone like you, you're always right, everyone else is wrong!

Have a great day.

Great rebuttal. I'm right when I'm right, which is in this case clearly.

 

[freshpow]

Also the Raptor R would beat out a Rivian that isn’t fully charged so there’s that.

Hah, maybe if the Rivian was <50%. I do love the Raptors but a Raptor R starts at $110k...Rivian could probably beat a standard Raptor while towing a Raptor.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

"I also don't necessarily need to get the Quad-Motor and I happy to wait for a bit to get one."

I think this answers it right there. There is a part of you telling you what it wishes you'd do.

Additionally its usually a good idea to wait for a least a year or two before getting a new model, and especially a new model from a new company.

So my suggestion would be to go with the dual-motor and simply wait a bit longer. Plus the current wait time for Bellevue service for anything that requires the lift is 3-4 months. So hopefully that will go down as they open more service centers, and they work through the problems with the initial vehicle.

Also be aware that the R1S is starting to look like its going to sell like hot cakes, and might retain its resale a bit better.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Go with your gut. It’s rarely wrong.

My opinion? At the “old” pricing I felt the Quad motor R1T with the no charge Ocean Coast interior was a decent value.

I never would have purchased my R1T under the new Rivian pricing structure. It’s simply too expensive for what you get.

I think this is true for the quad.

For the dual I think the current pricing is okay.

 

[biker1284]

Yeah I have driven an f150 and no handling is not at all subjective. Does it go fast and remain planted around turns is what handling means. How well does it handle around corners and the answer to that is hands down the Rivian is better. That is a factual statement not a matter of opinion. Things like seat comfort ARE subjective however. Admittedly I'm 5'10" and as someone who is average height for a man the seats in the Rivian are plenty big and comfortable for me. I don't need a giant seat.

I don't think the bed height matters and if it does you can change it on the Rivian where you cannot do so on the F150. Also regen is one of the things I love the most about the Rivian. You can be so incredibly accurate in modulating your speed with one pedal driving and it's so much easier and less stressful to use than the two pedal system not to mention less wear and tear on mechanical components.

I don't open the doors of a vehicle I'm in while driving ever so I've never had that issue. The door handles sticking out when unlocked and closed while locked is an excellent and easy visual reminder to tell you the status of the truck. From 15' away I can tell if my Rivian is locked, can you tell that with your F150? Didn't think so. So really most of your things are subjective when my points are actual hard data.

Regen and two pedals being "stressful" is subjective (and ridiculous given the regen isn't consistent). F150 folds mirrors when locked.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Regen and two pedals being "stressful" is subjective (and ridiculous given the regen isn't consistent). F150 folds mirrors when locked.

What do you mean the regen isn't consistent? It's consistent enough to drive it perfectly every single day for me.

 

[biker1284]

What do you mean the regen isn't consistent? It's consistent enough to drive it perfectly every single day for me.

I'm not a current owner... but from what I read it can be limited based on battery charge, battery temp, duration of braking, etc. I personally experienced a fluctuation in regen strength at the end of my first drive which was only a few miles, cool temp, rainy weather.

 

[BFlo]

No one can answer the question on your behalf... but we can all chime in with our experiences and perspectives... so here's mine.

I received my R1T in March 2022. It has just under 25k miles on it, and despite a couple of minor glitches, which usually get resolved remotely, I LOVE this truck. The driving experience gives me so much joy, and it's really a choose-your-own-adventure every time I get in. Sometimes I want to haul-@$$ and put it in sport mode, sometimes I go off-road and climb rocks and wade through mud, and sometimes it's just a nice comfy drive on the freeway with the family.

I hear you on the depreciation and loss of value... but I literally just took delivery of an R1S last week for my wife and the moment she got in and drove it... all the ruminating on cost was out the window. It was just pure enjoyment.

So the question is which will you regret more... a hit to your net worth or not being able to get your joy-engine filled with a Rivian?

 

[moosetags]

We have an R1T. Our son has an R1S. Both great trucks at any price.

Brian

 

[mini2nut]

I absolutely one pedal driving. It's one of the joys of owning a Rivian.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I'm not a current owner... but from what I read it can be limited based on battery charge, battery temp, duration of braking, etc. I personally experienced a fluctuation in regen strength at the end of my first drive which was only a few miles, cool temp, rainy weather.

Well sure if you have a full battery there is limited regen. If you're going down an entire mountain it's also going to be limited but as someone who IS an owner if you charge to 70% and are doing day to day driving regen is perfectly adequate and does not fluctuate at all.

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