Rivian News: R2, Production, Preorders, 2024, Amazon, NACS, Self Driving (from Global Auto Industry Conference 2023)

[JediKnight]

I'm wondering if the R2 will be something along the lines of an Outback / Forester-type of vehicle. The clay model that RJ was standing in front during that Instagram Live Q&A session gave off a Forester-type shape IMO.

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[s4wrxttcs]

We forget how much peeps like those 7 seat "big" SUVs

I blame kids.

Those pesky kids worrying about their future, and demanding that their parents get an EV.

There is no EV Minivan so that greatly limits their options to basically a Model X, Y, or a Rivian R1S.

I personally think the Rivian R1S will sell like hot cakes like the Model Y does. Sure not to that extent, but still pretty good sales.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

My tocking splines beg to differ, unless they can beef up these parts in 2024.

If they don't fix my tok it will be the first and last Rivian I own.

 

[Insight75]

Rivian shouldn’t bother with their own charging network or have it be minimal number. Talk to Tesla immediately and get in bed with them for the supercharger network.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Being dedicated to building out the RAN network, can still happen while switching to NACS, we have already seen DCFC providers saying they will incorporate NACS along side CCS… but let’s face the simple fact. CCS1 is dead. It is now obsolete. With over 80% of EV’s market share being onboard with NACS.

It won't be obsolete until the federal government gets onboard with NACS. Until then we'll see federal government funded CCS chargers that likely have an NACS plug as well unless their EA chargers. Not sure when/if EA will commit to supporting NACS.

There is already an NACS to CCS adapter. So NACS vehicle owners can already use the EA network, and they can use the RAN network once Rivian opens their network up to other vehicles.

I simply don't see any reason why Rivian would switch to NACS at this time without an agreement with Tesla to be able to leverage their Supercharger network. That's what people really want, and simply having an NACS port won't give them that.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Rivian shouldn’t bother with their own charging network or have it be minimal number. Talk to Tesla immediately and get in bed with them for the supercharger network.

The entire point of the RAN network is to be in locations that aren't serviced very well by the existing fast charging infrastructure.

Like close to National parks and other adventurous areas.

 

[CUBldr97]

It won't be obsolete until the federal government gets onboard with NACS. Until then we'll see federal government funded CCS chargers that likely have an NACS plug as well unless their EA chargers. Not sure when/if EA will commit to supporting NACS.

There is already an NACS to CCS adapter. So NACS vehicle owners can already use the EA network, and they can use the RAN network once Rivian opens their network up to other vehicles.

I simply don't see any reason why Rivian would switch to NACS at this time without an agreement with Tesla to be able to leverage their Supercharger network. That's what people really want, and simply having an NACS port won't give them that.

Sorry you are mistaken, there is no adapter you can buy for TESLA (NACS) to CCS. There is a CCS-NACS for Tesla owners (limited to certain year and moidel Tesla's) can buy. Tesla SC are putting in a magic doc In some SC, promised for more, but is only NY state and a few in CA so far. And there is a Level 2 adapter for NACS to J1772 , but is not what is being discussed.

Yes incorporating NACS into Rivian implies a use agreement with Tesla, all the necessary hardware/ software...

Saying Rivian should not switch to NACS, is like saying Blockbuster doesn't need to get in to the streaming video market... After last weeks announmentc with GM and FORD, swithcing to NACS in 2024/2025 and several indepemndamnt charger networks all going to offer NACS support, the writing is on the wall. Just like for Betamax, Blockbuster, HDdvd etc... Either get on board or be left behind.

It's simple...

Obviously, as a long time Tesla owner, and a R1S with CCS I understand all the implications... And yes I will need and gladly pay for my own adapter to be able to use the Tesla SC network

 

[C12farmer]

More power more better

They need to add a Teenager mode. Limit the power to achieve 0-60 in about 8 seconds. Fast enough without making it too easy to get into trouble.

SUMMARY (original source link below) from fireside chat with Claire McDonough, CFO of Deutsche Bank:

Enduro ramp slightly ahead of schedule

Consumer demand trend:

• Overall, continue to have robust demand into 2024
• Stable demand environment, ie demand isn’t falling as some might have concerns of

Have ability to flexibly build between R1S and R1T

Q2 : R1S is the majority of production volume

70% of preorders have been for R1S

2024 : couple weeks of downtime to introduce new tech into R1.

• Network based architecture,
• Simplify wire harness
• Better manufacturing
• Intro of LFP
• Additional changes to nickel battery pack
• Material cost savings
• 85K production capacity for R1

Looks like a good number of changes to 2024 models. This would have been called a model refresh back in the day. Better manufacturing and changes to the battery could encompass a lot. Could be significant improvements to performance, cost, and reliability.

Add in the Enduro and LFP options, and 2024 models sound like they are going to have some nice improvements.

 

[Gobnu]

I'm wondering if the R2 will be something along the lines of an Outback / Forester-type of vehicle. The clay model that RJ was standing in front during that Instagram Live Q&A session gave off a Forester-type shape IMO.

Subaru got caught sleeping on the EV front. I'm guessing a lot of Rivian buyers are coming from Subaru, myself included. Still have a 2013 Outback. Went to my Subie/Nissan dealer today for a 75 cent screw that I needed and instantly had 3 salespeople drooling over my R1S. If Rivian gets a capable R2 out before an BEV Outback they would sell quite a few of them I think.

 

[pc500]

It won't be obsolete until the federal government gets onboard with NACS. Until then we'll see federal government funded CCS chargers that likely have an NACS plug as well unless their EA chargers. Not sure when/if EA will commit to supporting NACS.

There is already an NACS to CCS adapter. So NACS vehicle owners can already use the EA network, and they can use the RAN network once Rivian opens their network up to other vehicles.

I simply don't see any reason why Rivian would switch to NACS at this time without an agreement with Tesla to be able to leverage their Supercharger network. That's what people really want, and simply having an NACS port won't give them that.

This. It isn't CHMADEO all over again. They are interchangeable with an adapter. Nobody wants NACS, but it's a (technically unnecessary I might add) price for entry into the Tesla network.

 

[DuoRivians]

Please, there are other threads to bicker about the NACS debate. Go do it there

 

[Dark-Fx]

My tocking splines beg to differ, unless they can beef up these parts in 2024.

Only so much they can tock.

 

[JediKnight]

Subaru got caught sleeping on the EV front. I'm guessing a lot of Rivian buyers are coming from Subaru, myself included. Still have a 2013 Outback. Went to my Subie/Nissan dealer today for a 75 cent screw that I needed and instantly had 3 salespeople drooling over my R1S. If Rivian gets a capable R2 out before an BEV Outback they would sell quite a few of them I think.

I think it's very likely that Rivian would beat Subaru to market with a BEV-type of Outback vehicle (if that is what the R2 becomes). Especially since Toyota owns a large stake in Subaru and that Toyota has recently announced a slew of EV-related initiatives. Even for a company as large as Toyota, it will take them time to get vehicles to the market.

Toyota's / Subaru's initial BEV entry - Solterra / bZ4x left a lot to be desired with the whole wheel fiasco.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Sorry you are mistaken, there is no adapter you can buy for TESLA (NACS) to CCS. There is a CCS-NACS for Tesla owners (limited to certain year and moidel Tesla's) can buy. Tesla SC are putting in a magic doc In some SC, promised for more, but is only NY state and a few in CA so far. And there is a Level 2 adapter for NACS to J1772 , but is not what is being discussed.

Yes incorporating NACS into Rivian implies a use agreement with Tesla, all the necessary hardware/ software...

Saying Rivian should not switch to NACS, is like saying Blockbuster doesn't need to get in to the streaming video market... After last weeks announmentc with GM and FORD, swithcing to NACS in 2024/2025 and several indepemndamnt charger networks all going to offer NACS support, the writing is on the wall. Just like for Betamax, Blockbuster, HDdvd etc... Either get on board or be left behind.

It's simple...

Obviously, as a long time Tesla owner, and a R1S with CCS I understand all the implications... And yes I will need and gladly pay for my own adapter to be able to use the Tesla SC network

The adapter I was referring to was the CCS Combo 1 adapter that Tesla sells.

Only Tesla currently has the NACS port, and this adapter works on most Tesla vehicles. There was a cut-over point where anything before that point needs a retrofit. At least for the Model 3/Y the retrofit will be available.

My point was that most (and I should have clarified this) NACS owners today can charge at a CCS1 charger with an adapter. I'm sure the same will be true of post NACS Ford/GM vehicles where an adapter will be available in the event they need to use a CCS1 charger.

You want Rivian to get onboard with NACS, but you don't know the details of what that agreement even entails. You also don't know what the cost of charging will be for non-Tesla vehicles on a Supercharger network. You don't even know if Tesla is open to working with Rivian and and allowing Rivian owners to charge at a Supercharger. Tesla and Rivian are currently involved in a lawsuit.

This isn't like Blockbuster, Betamax or anything else. This is a case where the Federal Government is advocating an Open Standard (CCS1) despite a huge install lead that NACS has.

I do want to have a single charging standard as deciding what car to by based on the Charging port is just nutty. But, I want that standard to be an open standard that isn't controlled by a single vehicle manufacture. I don't really care if its CCS or NACS (although I have a preference for the NACS form factor).

I think we both want the same thing, but I think more things need to fall into place before Rivian can move to NACS. Where they provide in an adapter for legacy owners with CCS.

 

[jjswan33]

Rivian shouldn’t bother with their own charging network or have it be minimal number. Talk to Tesla immediately and get in bed with them for the supercharger network.

First off what @s4wrxttcs said is spot on but additionally other automakers/networks giving up on building charging infrastructure to get in bed with the Tesla is a worst possible outcome for EV owners.

More infrastructure investment is more better...

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