Twice now.....

[bigsky]

Are you saying that CT owners

Is that why the CT has had 5 recalls this year?

Are you saying that CT owners have had to physically drive and take their CTs to Tesla service centers for repairs five times!!? For that is what a recall means and is.

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[bigsky]

To be fair only four were isolated to the Cybertruck, the other affected a lot of Tesla models with a font size that’s too small on the dash display. Rivian also had five recalls in the first year of production as well. If you look through them I’d argue that three of Rivian’s were for actual potentially dangerous conditions (airbag, steering knuckle, seatbelt bolts) opposed to one for the Cybertruck (gas pedal pad).

Without parsing words or getting into semantics, I know what you mean, etc., a different term needs to be used to address most issues with EVs like Teslas and Rivians.
Unless you vehicle was physically driven and taken to a manufacturer's facility for the actual repair, IT IS NOT a recall. That is precisely the definition of "recall." EVs have most issues that come up addressed with OTA updates.

 

[bigsky]

It is unfortunate that you have had these issues early on. Should you want to keep your Rivian, you will need a high level of patience.
Rivian tends to make things right is my own experience even though it may take some time.
I hope it all works out in the end. And that the 49rs at least won that day, if a fan of theirs.

 

[bigsky]

Friends - how does referencing a crappy truck that OP doesn’t have help OP? If I buy an iPhone and it bricks in a week, I don’t really care if a Samsung is crappier lol

Well, it actually is not (Samsung) .

 

[Thedude]

You don’t think the wiper not working in the rain or the rear camera not refreshing fast enough to use it are safety issues? I disagree.

No, not really. Driving without a wiper sucks and a slow to respond backup camera is annoying but aren’t an immediate risk to safety should they fail to work. The accelerator pedal sticking or your front suspension failing are immediate and have no work around.

 

[glassman]

Any issues with the carabiner key or PAAK? Bluetooth devices vs the ICC key card you've been having issues with.

FWIW, anything chip-based is easy to screw up or wipe, like setting it on the wireless charger pad. I've screwed up my CAC leaving it there...

Wasn't a key issue. Was able to unlock, a few minutes later (leaving me puzzled nonetheless), with both the card key and app.
But the battery service needed red light was appearing and service told me to tow it in.j

 

[BourboNole]

Without parsing words or getting into semantics, I know what you mean, etc., a different term needs to be used to address most issues with EVs like Teslas and Rivians.
Unless you vehicle was physically driven and taken to a manufacturer's facility for the actual repair, IT IS NOT a recall. That is precisely the definition of "recall." EVs have most issues that come up addressed with OTA updates.

Do you have a citation for your claimed definition of the term "recall."

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Are you saying that CT owners

Are you saying that CT owners have had to physically drive and take their CTs to Tesla service centers for repairs five times!!? For that is what a recall means and is.

No, that's not what recall means or is.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Friends - how does referencing a crappy truck that OP doesn’t have help OP? If I buy an iPhone and it bricks in a week, I don’t really care if a Samsung is crappier lol

I am referring to the muskstan on here who takes every opportunity to talk about how much better Telsa is than Rivian because he is salty that his wife wouldn't let him buy a CT.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Interestingly, the number of recalls for the R1 have been increasing every year. So, just because a carmaker has experience making cars doesn’t mean they get better over time.
And, yes, Rivian has had more recalls than CT this year. Not all serious safety issues either way for both brands, though.

And Ford has the most recalls out of any manufacturer so what's your point?

 

[bigsky]

No, that's not what recall means or is.

From the English experts:

re·call

verb[rəˈkôl, rəˈkäl]
1. An act or instance of officially recalling someone or something:
2. Officially order (someone) to return to a place.

Unlike ICE cars, most of my notices on my Teslas to fix most issues did not require returning my Teslas to a place to address them.
Most of the CT issues I believe likewise did not force owners to take such vehicles to a place to address the said issues.
Therefore, those are not recalls, full stop.
An OTA update does not force owners to take a vehicle anywhere; therefore, OTA updates ARE NOT recalls. This by the very definition of the word "recall."
Important that we understand English, the meaning of the words, and apply them properly.

 

[bigsky]

Do you have a citation for your claimed definition of the term "recall."

Anybody who has studied and taken time to look up English words, understand what they mean, the applications thereof will know what the word "recall" means.
A Tesla or Rivian OTA update to fix something, DOEST NOT a recall make, full stop.
You perhaps could look up the meaning of the word "recall" on many English dictionary websites to see what I mean.
I don't make the rules. I did not create or participate in the creation of the English language. I just try hard to follow the said rules .

 

[Thedude]

From the English experts:

re·call

verb[rəˈkôl, rəˈkäl]
1. An act or instance of officially recalling someone or something:
2. Officially order (someone) to return to a place.

Unlike ICE cars, most of my notices on my Teslas to fix most issues did not require returning my Teslas to a place to address them.
Most of the CT issues I believe likewise did not force owners to take such vehicles to a place to address the said issues.
Therefore, those are not recalls, full stop.
An OTA update does not force owners to take a vehicle anywhere; therefore, OTA updates ARE NOT recalls. This by the very definition of the word "recall."
Important that we understand English, the meaning of the words, and apply them properly.

Unfortunately for you English words and legal terms often have different meanings. A recall does not necessarily mandate a return to the dealership for service, it simply mandates that the manufacturer must perform some kind of repair to correct an identified problem.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Probably not a good idea to start your EV journey with a Rivian unfortunately. Still a lot of bugs to work out with this brand. But the start up excuse should be minimal since this company is 10 years old now….._

yes I’m bitter since I get to compare it to a Tesla every day and Tesla knows how to EV.

Haha

Tesla got the party started with the 12VDC battery failures

Rivian just carried the torch on.

 

[beatle]

From NHTSA (who does make the rules):

A recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire creates an unreasonable safety risk or fails to meet minimum safety standards. Most decisions to conduct a recall and remedy a safety defect are made voluntarily by manufacturers prior to any involvement by NHTSA.​

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Manufacturers are required to fix the problem by repairing it, replacing it, offering a refund, or in rare cases repurchasing the vehicle.​

As so many cars these days are software defined, a recall can be made that does not require returning the vehicle to a dealership or service center.

So counting recalls that a manufacturer makes doesn't really illustrate the impact they have on their owners. Tesla recalled autopilot to make it nag more, so it was actually better to drive before the recall. As for how many times a vehicle has to come back for some type of unscheduled failure like OP experienced, that's a much different statistic and not one that manufacturers typically share.

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