20" Inch New Goodyear 20” tire option - available when?

[iansriv]

Quick update on my 20" Goodyear - could not be happier Went from 21"

So after almost 8k, I am down to 10/32. All 4 tires wearing the same, so not sure if I will do a rotation. Average consumption - 2.3 miles per kWh, so 5% less than what I was getting from 21". As a reminder, 21" after 17k miles were down to 6/32.

Would love to hear more about the ride quality etc difference between the 21s and these. Cheers.

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[shap]

Would love to hear more about the ride quality etc difference between the 21s and these. Cheers.

Ride quality is better in general, the only thing that is worse is noise. It is a bit noisy, but the margin is small after a break-in. And the great bonus - they are ~50% cheaper and can be found at any store.

 

[DayTripping]

Here are the links for TireRack and Goodyear that may have the Rivian Territory AT in your area...

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...wall+2.Alternate+Design+3&partnum=76HR0WTATXL

https://www.goodyear.com/en_US/tires/wrangler-territory-at/24354-73409564000000.html?back=tireFinder

How do the Territory AT compare to the Territory HT? Any insight would be helpful. I don't really need an AT tire. I figured 99.9% of the time my truck will be on a road. I had been considering the Michelin Defender LTX MS/2 275/60./20's to replace my original 21's. I wanted some efficient, quiet and decent longevity. My concern was handling, and braking are essential too. So, the likely harder compound might work against those last areas. I get there is no such thing as a free lunch with tire capabilities.

I bought 20" Atomic Wheels AW10s, which are 9" wide. As I considered it, the LTX MS/2 might be a bit narrow for that rim width (though still within their recommendations). I don't want to go with a super heavy tire like the Defender Platinum LT tire.

As a result i was looking at the Territory AT's but don't really need an AT tire and the drawbacks that come with it. I live in TX so almost never any snow. The advantage of course is that tire was built for the Rivian and there could be some significant benefits as a result. I don't want to give up efficiency for the AT benefits and more noise than my current 21's would annoy my wife.

I don't know if there is any sort of buy back period with them like Michelin has. It is nice to have even if I've rarely used it. If I buy them through TireRack, and have Discount Tire install them, then it could be a hassle to return them if I don't like them.

Sadly most of the other installers in my areas other than DT have sucked. So I'm sort of stuck in the DT ecosystem. I also found out that my likely Costco won't install tires on Rivians or CyberTrucks.

 

[B Digs]

How do the Territory AT compare to the Territory HT? Any insight would be helpful. I don't really need an AT tire. I figured 99.9% of the time my truck will be on a road. I had been considering the Michelin Defender LTX MS/2 275/60./20's to replace my original 21's. I wanted some efficient, quiet and decent longevity. My concern was handling, and braking are essential too. So, the likely harder compound might work against those last areas. I get there is no such thing as a free lunch with tire capabilities.

I bought 20" Atomic Wheels AW10s, which are 9" wide. As I considered it, the LTX MS/2 might be a bit narrow for that rim width (though still within their recommendations). I don't want to go with a super heavy tire like the Defender Platinum LT tire.

As a result i was looking at the Territory AT's but don't really need an AT tire and the drawbacks that come with it. I live in TX so almost never any snow. The advantage of course is that tire was built for the Rivian and there could be some significant benefits as a result. I don't want to give up efficiency for the AT benefits and more noise than my current 21's would annoy my wife.

I don't know if there is any sort of buy back period with them like Michelin has. It is nice to have even if I've rarely used it. If I buy them through TireRack, and have Discount Tire install them, then it could be a hassle to return them if I don't like them.

Sadly most of the other installers in my areas other than DT have sucked. So I'm sort of stuck in the DT ecosystem. I also found out that my likely Costco won't install tires on Rivians or CyberTrucks.

The Territory HT is a good tire, but it was designed for a different vehicle. I’d recommend the Territory AT designed specifically for Rivian R1. Rivian describes this tire as an all-season tire. I’m very happy with the efficiency, noise performance, ride, handling, value and overall performance of this tire. As a designer of this tire, I might be biased, but I am proud of how it turned out.

 

[Riviot]

I get there is no such thing as a free lunch with tire capabilities.

They're more of an All Weather than All Season, Jack of all trades and master of none. TANSTAAFL.

 

[ksurfier]

For TX, I’d think avoiding a 3PMSF option would be the most important factor for picking a tire…you might consider the Pirelli AS+3 in the 275/60R20 size, sounds like it might be a better fit than the M/S2…it has an 8.3” tread width, sounds like a better fit but it’s 115 load (not 116)

 

[B Digs]

For TX, I’d think avoiding a 3PMSF option would be the most important factor for picking a tire…you might consider the Pirelli AS+3 in the 275/60R20 size, sounds like it might be a better fit than the M/S2…it has an 8.3” tread width, sounds like a better fit but it’s 115 load (not 116)

Having or not having 3PMSF should be at the bottom of the list of considerations, at least for this tire. There may be other 3PMSF or dedicated winter tires that have trade-offs with other performance, but this is not one of them. The Goodyear tire will perform well in Texas, Alaska, or anywhere else on the planet.

 

[B Digs]

They're more of an All Weather than All Season, Jack of all trades and master of none. TANSTAAFL.

I prefer to say it is in a class of its own.

 

[DayTripping]

I admire your love your love of the product. The enthusiasm is not lost on me especially since you are wearing a set yourseful.

I also lived in the Rubber City for a while so I have a natural affinity for Goodyear products. I was a big Goodyear fan for a long time, but drifted into the Michelin camp once Goodyear stopped making motorcycle tires.

 

[md2023]

Would love to hear more about the ride quality etc difference between the 21s and these. Cheers.

I've got about 1,000 miles on mine. I'd say the 21s are a smoother, quieter ride (up to now), but not by much. Overall, I am happy with the switch.

 

[B Digs]

I admire your love your love of the product. The enthusiasm is not lost on me especially since you are wearing a set yourseful.

I also lived in the Rubber City for a while so I have a natural affinity for Goodyear products. I was a big Goodyear fan for a long time, but drifted into the Michelin camp once Goodyear stopped making motorcycle tires.

Cheers from the Rubber Capital of the world! I am passionate about the Goodyear tire and how it performs on my R1T!

 

[LL75]

How is this tire in wet raining condition? Currently in general grabbers hts60 and it does fairly well. Just hate that I have to replace it soon since it wears out so fast just like the OEM pirelli.

Debating between this and the defender ltx m/2

 

[B Digs]

How is this tire in wet raining condition? Currently in general grabbers hts60 and it does fairly well. Just hate that I have to replace it soon since it wears out so fast just like the OEM pirelli.

Debating between this and the defender ltx m/2

I’m happy with how the Goodyear performs in wet conditions.

 

[LL75]

How do the Territory AT compare to the Territory HT? Any insight would be helpful. I don't really need an AT tire. I figured 99.9% of the time my truck will be on a road. I had been considering the Michelin Defender LTX MS/2 275/60./20's to replace my original 21's. I wanted some efficient, quiet and decent longevity. My concern was handling, and braking are essential too. So, the likely harder compound might work against those last areas. I get there is no such thing as a free lunch with tire capabilities.

I bought 20" Atomic Wheels AW10s, which are 9" wide. As I considered it, the LTX MS/2 might be a bit narrow for that rim width (though still within their recommendations). I don't want to go with a super heavy tire like the Defender Platinum LT tire.

As a result i was looking at the Territory AT's but don't really need an AT tire and the drawbacks that come with it. I live in TX so almost never any snow. The advantage of course is that tire was built for the Rivian and there could be some significant benefits as a result. I don't want to give up efficiency for the AT benefits and more noise than my current 21's would annoy my wife.

I don't know if there is any sort of buy back period with them like Michelin has. It is nice to have even if I've rarely used it. If I buy them through TireRack, and have Discount Tire install them, then it could be a hassle to return them if I don't like them.

Sadly most of the other installers in my areas other than DT have sucked. So I'm sort of stuck in the DT ecosystem. I also found out that my likely Costco won't install tires on Rivians or CyberTrucks.

I am in DFW as well and currently using atomic wheels Aw09 with General grabbers HTS 60. I liked the tires a lot except for its longevity. I have about 13K miles on this set and discount tires said it is at 5/32" and may need replace at the next tire rotation. (60K thread warranty !!!).
According to a few people in this thread, the goodyear efficiency will be less than the 21" which is absolutely understandable since I think this goodyear is neither an AT or AS. Rivian calls it AS but it looks like an AT. go figured !! Another drawback is that it doesn't come with any thread warranty like the defender LTX M/2.
Discount tires told me that they can order directly from tirerack and have it installed there. I wondered if there are buy back program for it, where you can just returned it to discount tire?

 

[DayTripping]

Will you get any tire credit with the tread wear warranty on your truck? The Michelins have a 70k treadwear warranty.

You hit on the same questions I had regarding buying from TireRack (TR) and have Discount Tire (DT) install them. They are really two halves of the same company since DT acquired them a few years ago. If there was a buy back program, I'd be a lot more inclined to buy them. Even if there was, I am not sure it could be done through DT if I bought them through TR.

Looking at the Rivian site, it doesn't seem like a big hit in efficiency to go with them (GoodYears). I get that since they are an OEM tire they don't have a treadwear warranty. I also don't want to burn through them in 20k miles either. If I get 30k miles, I'd be happy.

Obviously longer is better but there is always a tradeoff. Longer wearing tires typically don't stick as well and that is one of my priorities. I've heard from a few people the Michelins aren't that good in the rain and don't have as good of dry grip. Their narrow tread (7.8") might play into that along with likely a harder rubber compound.

I am torn between the GoodYears and the LTX MS/2 at this point. My two concerns about the GY's are the tire life and possible noise at higher speeds. For the LTX it is traction. If GoodYear had a buy back program, I'd definitely give them a shot. The fact they were designed for our vehicles is a big plus compared to an off the rack tire.

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