Quad Gen 2 Range / Release Date

[Jared2]

I had a Gen 1 Quad Large and traded it in for a Gen 2 Dual Max Performance and I do love the extra range! While it says 410 miles on the rare ocasion that I charge it fully, I probably see 360 with 4 passengers, luggage, heat, etc.

My concern is I've seen varying reports of the Gen 2 Quad range. One was as low as 254 miles... I really need as much range as possible. Shouldn't it be able to have a "Conserve Mode" option like the Tri and Gen 1 Quad (it is not one of the drive mode options on the Dual). I was really hoping the Gen 2 Quad would be able to get the same 410 mile range (supposed) running two wheel drive...

Also curious about release date... but that's anyone's guess I think.

Has there been any definitive info posted on these questions? I haven't found it.

All the best,

Jared

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[Electrified Outdoors]

I had a Gen 1 Quad Large and traded it in for a Gen 2 Dual Max Performance and I do love the extra range! While it says 410 miles on the rare ocasion that I charge it fully, I probably see 360 with 4 passengers, luggage, heat, etc.

My concern is I've seen varying reports of the Gen 2 Quad range. One was as low as 254 miles... I really need as much range as possible. Shouldn't it be able to have a "Conserve Mode" option like the Tri and Gen 1 Quad (it is not one of the drive mode options on the Dual). I was really hoping the Gen 2 Quad would be able to get the same 410 mile range (supposed) running two wheel drive...

Also curious about release date... but that's anyone's guess I think.

Has there been any definitive info posted on these questions? I haven't found it.

All the best,

Jared

All speculation here. Yes, it should have conserve mode but I was surprised that Gen 2 conserve is different than Gen 1. For example, on the Tri Motor conserve simply enables automatic disengagement of the rear drive units similar to what it does in dual motor all purpose mode. I expect a similar setup on Gen 2 quad...but...there will be some penalty because you have two motors on the front axle instead of just one like in the Tri. Also, the EPA # will be lower because they will rate it in All Purpose mode (The default drive mode). Tri with the 22" sport setup sees 371 mi range rating ..but if you switch to the new conserve you can see up to 405 mi range.

 

[Jared2]

Also, the EPA # will be lower because they will rate it in All Purpose mode (The default drive mode). Tri with the 22" sport setup sees 371 mi range rating ..but if you switch to the new conserve you can see up to 405 mi range.

I was really hoping to go for a Gen 2 Quad, but if the max range is going to be in the 370 range (real world of 320 probably), that just doesn't cut it for me.

I guess I will have to be happy with a 0-60 of under 4 seconds ;-)

Is the Tri worth the upgrade from the Dual Max Perf? I did buy mine with the voucher discount so I only paid about $75k for my loaded Gen 2, but still, if they only give me 65k for mine (guessing), doesn't seem like a good idea to spend $115k++ on a loaded Tri.

I do love my Rivian!

 

[MountainBikeDude]

Taking your driving into account, if you're getting 360 from a 410 rating (87%) The Quad Gen 2 has a rating according to MotorTrends early review of 360 miles, leaving you with around 313 miles of range.

They may have made efficiency improvements on the on the Gen 2 via an update to resolve some heat pump issues, so that could help return a better range result than the motor trend rating of 260 miles on their test.

 

[Jared2]

They may have made efficiency improvements on the on the Gen 2 via an update to resolve some heat pump issues, so that could help return a better range result than the motor trend rating of 260 miles on their test.

260 Miles... YIKES!!!

Sounds like they need to make a bigger battery! With the winter we've been having in the north east, that would be closer to 190 miles!

Let's hope they figure out ways to make this better. I think I'll stick with my Dual for now.

If anyone sees any more info, send it!

Thanks again guys,

Jared

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

I was really hoping to go for a Gen 2 Quad, but if the max range is going to be in the 370 range (real world of 320 probably), that just doesn't cut it for me.

I guess I will have to be happy with a 0-60 of under 4 seconds ;-)

Is the Tri worth the upgrade from the Dual Max Perf? I did buy mine with the voucher discount so I only paid about $75k for my loaded Gen 2, but still, if they only give me 65k for mine (guessing), doesn't seem like a good idea to spend $115k++ on a loaded Tri.

I do love my Rivian!

If the new quad does 360 mi in AP mode that is an amazing accomplishment considering the tire melting 1025 HP. Going from DMP to Gen 2 Quad you should shave 1 whole second off that 0-60 but there is a huge torque difference! The Tri motor has over 200 lb ft of additional torque vs Gen 1 quad.

Is it worth the upgrade? I suppose that will be very subjective. I can't wait to try one out. The Tri motor is amazing so I can't imagine what the quad will do.

Here is a video with @kanundrum where we launched the Tri motor. I had so much fun making that video...everytime I go to Rivian I turn into a kid in a candy shop.

Only you can decide if its worth the upgrade. I had to check to make sure all my organs were in the same place after those launches

 

[lefkonj]

I think the Tri Motor is the best of both worlds. My Gen1-QM is the same power as the Gen2-Tri and it is more than enough. Not sure why I would need a vehicle this size with 1000+HP, I get it but just seems crazy. If you are worried about range then don't get the quad or the tri, that is like buying a BMW M5 and complaining about MPG, if you are concerned buy a regular 5 series hybrid.

 

[hammick]

I was really hoping to go for a Gen 2 Quad, but if the max range is going to be in the 370 range (real world of 320 probably), that just doesn't cut it for me.

I guess I will have to be happy with a 0-60 of under 4 seconds ;-)

Is the Tri worth the upgrade from the Dual Max Perf? I did buy mine with the voucher discount so I only paid about $75k for my loaded Gen 2, but still, if they only give me 65k for mine (guessing), doesn't seem like a good idea to spend $115k++ on a loaded Tri.

I do love my Rivian!

We paid just over 98k for our Tri in Storm Blue, the base Ascent black interior and 22" sport dark wheels. This includes the 6k Rivian promotion and the $7,500 lease tax credit. We immediately bought out the lease.

 

[Jared2]

We paid just over 98k for our Tri in Storm Blue, the base Ascent black interior and 22" sport dark wheels. This includes the 6k Rivian promotion and the $7,500 lease tax credit. We immediately bought out the lease.

Interesting... was there any penalty for buying out the lease? You did this just for the tax credit, right?

 

[portdirect]

Also, the EPA # will be lower because they will rate it in All Purpose mode (The default drive mode). Tri with the 22" sport setup sees 371 mi range rating ..but if you switch to the new conserve you can see up to 405 mi range.

They will not advertise the EPA range estimate in AP mode, Rivian will do the same funny games they did with the Tri - which is rated at 346 miles under the EPA cycle, not 371 which is a number no single drive mode will achieve under EPA test cycles. I'd expect the range to be a bit less than the gen1 quad was in AP mode (even with the slightly larger battery). Also note that the EPA rating for conserve on the Tri is ~395 miles - Rivian used their own methodology to get 405.

I did a write up here: https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/mkbhd-gen2-r1s-review.40386/post-728366

 

[ktray]

We paid just over 98k for our Tri in Storm Blue, the base Ascent black interior and 22" sport dark wheels. This includes the 6k Rivian promotion and the $7,500 lease tax credit. We immediately bought out the lease.

I am also in the process of purchasing, and was thinking of using the same approach. To clarify - you set up the lease through Rivian and then bought out after close? Were you able to see the buyout before closing on the lease? Thanks!

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

They will not advertise the EPA range estimate in AP mode, Rivian will do the same funny games they did with the Tri - which is rated at 346 miles under the EPA cycle, not 371 which is a number no single drive mode will achieve under EPA test cycles. I'd expect the range to be a bit less than the gen1 quad was in AP mode (even with the slightly larger battery). Also note that the EPA rating for conserve on the Tri is ~395 miles - Rivian used their own methodology to get 405.

I did a write up here: https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/mkbhd-gen2-r1s-review.40386/post-728366

I was going by fuel economy.gov . Tri is rated 371 miles there which is the range estimate for 22in…AT will be lower. Now, whether or not it achieves EPA will vary with efficiency of course.

with that said one would need to average >2.6 mi per kWh in order to see that 371 mi range on Tri….which….i would agree is probably not going to be typical in AP mode which keeps all three motors connected.

 

[portdirect]

I was going by fuel economy.gov . Tri is rated 371 miles there which is the range estimate for 22in…AT will be lower. Now, whether or not it achieves EPA will vary with efficiency of course.

with that said one would need to average >2.6 mi per kWh in order to see that 371 mi range on Tri….which….i would agree is probably not going to be typical in AP mode which keeps all three motors connected.

According to Rivian’s own testing and submissions to the EPA:

* All-Purpose (AP) Mode: ~346 miles
* Conserve Mode: ~395 miles

Yet, Rivian promotes a 371-mile “EPA” range figure. Despite this, Rivian submitted the 371-mile figure to Fuel Economy for inclusion on the Monroney label. This number appears to result from mixing data from different drive modes: applying AP mode efficiency for highway driving and Conserve mode efficiency for city driving. This methodology is entirely backward and not standard practice for EPA ratings.

By blending results from two distinct modes, Rivian achieves a more appealing—but less transparent—range estimate. However, this figure cannot be directly compared to any other EV on the U.S. market, as no other automaker takes this approach.

Don’t fall into the trap, and think/promote/imply this is what AP mode is capable of under the EPA test cycle.

Getting back on track, there is no way the quad will get 360 miles in AP mode on an EPA cycle, it’s not going to be more efficient than the Tri motor. I suspect it will be around 320 miles - a tiny bit less efficient that the gen1 quad, but ending up having a tiny bit more range under EPA style testing thanks to the extra ~9kWh in the battery. This will go out the window with the super sport staggered tyre setup, where the range estimate will likely be sub 300, but they won’t use that number for marketing (I wouldn’t either).

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

According to Rivian’s own testing and submissions to the EPA:

* All-Purpose (AP) Mode: ~346 miles
* Conserve Mode: ~395 miles

Yet, Rivian promotes a 371-mile “EPA” range figure. Despite this, Rivian submitted the 371-mile figure to Fuel Economy for inclusion on the Monroney label. This number appears to result from mixing data from different drive modes: applying AP mode efficiency for highway driving and Conserve mode efficiency for city driving. This methodology is entirely backward and not standard practice for EPA ratings.

By blending results from two distinct modes, Rivian achieves a more appealing—but less transparent—range estimate. However, this figure cannot be directly compared to any other EV on the U.S. market, as no other automaker takes this approach.

Don’t fall into the trap, and think/promote/imply this is what AP mode is capable of under the EPA test cycle.

Getting back on track, there is no way the quad will get 360 miles in AP mode on an EPA cycle, it’s not going to be more efficient than the Tri motor. I suspect it will be around 320 miles - a tiny bit less efficient that the gen1 quad, but ending up having a tiny bit more range under EPA style testing thanks to the extra ~9kWh in the battery. This will go out the window with the super sport staggered tyre setup, where the range estimate will likely be sub 300, but they won’t use that number for marketing (I wouldn’t either).

Oh I don't disagree with you at all! I have noticed that with the release of Gen 2 Rivian has began to favor more optimistic range numbers.

I encourage folks instead to pay close attention to both the efficiency and usable capacity of the battery. Max pack has 142 kWh usable and if you average 2.0 miles per kWh that implies a 100 to 0 range of 284 miles. efficiency in mi per kWh * usable capacity of the pack . This will vary constantly. Using range numbers from either the EPA or range tests on YouTube even are a recipe for disappointment.

TLDR the info needs presented differently. For example, quote the efficiency and usable capacity and the range number should be given as a range! This vehicle achieved between 280 & 350 miles of range. Your range may vary.

Quoting one range number, especially if its an overly optimistic one, is a recipe for customer disappointment. Quoting the range as a range allow you to sell the high range number while also maintaining transparency with the customer.

 

[anthonysfl]

I had a Gen 1 Quad Large and traded it in for a Gen 2 Dual Max Performance and I do love the extra range! While it says 410 miles on the rare ocasion that I charge it fully, I probably see 360 with 4 passengers, luggage, heat, etc.

My concern is I've seen varying reports of the Gen 2 Quad range. One was as low as 254 miles... I really need as much range as possible. Shouldn't it be able to have a "Conserve Mode" option like the Tri and Gen 1 Quad (it is not one of the drive mode options on the Dual). I was really hoping the Gen 2 Quad would be able to get the same 410 mile range (supposed) running two wheel drive...

Also curious about release date... but that's anyone's guess I think.

Has there been any definitive info posted on these questions? I haven't found it.

All the best,

Jared

Did no one read the shareholder letter? It’s been out since summer 2024. Gen 2 quad is estimated 350miles of range.

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