2025 R1T Quad Max Gen 2 Reservation Rollcall

[Donald Stanfield]

Realistically, almost nothing is going to touch a high performance AWD EV on the street. Our slowest EV, a Model 3 Long Range with boost, will consistently run a real 3.7 0-60 (not omitting rollout) and there is almost nothing I've encountered on the street that will beat it on the street. Many cars that are quicker than it on the track, are humbled by it on the street. Traction is almost the limiting factor.

Line up against an S Plaid, and it will take a really quick car to beat one. For reference, mine at 50% SoC will still run a 2.4 0-60 (not omitting rollout) or 2.2 if you want to compare to the Tri might show when in launch mode. That isn't using launch mode or anything on the Plaid or even a warm pack.

Modern EVs are just stupid quick, at least 0-60. The Plaid was the first one that didn't really die off over 60 mph. I ran some 90-110 times on G1 quad recently. The time it takes to go from 90-110, the Plaid can just about go 0-100.

I'd like to see more in depth testing on the G2 quad when it finally launches. The ~2.5 0-60 time isn't bad but I'd like to see more data at higher speed intervals. What does it run 60-130. That looks to be about 8+ seconds, which isn't bad but puts it slower than something like the 2022+ Model S Long Range. That is a fairly satisfying car to drive once you get past its fairly slow 0-30 times.

I never take mine up that high. I drive on the street mostly and I am almost never above 90 even when passing for a second. Driving on the freeway I do 75 for efficiency on trips and 80 when local. Yes the S Plaid will beat it, but my Rivian is more comfortable and has room for whatever I want to put in here. There are always tradeoffs and I'm happy with the mix of them I have.

If I wanted a sports car I'd buy a Ferrari or a McLaren or the DBX 707. Those all have something Tesla will never have. The reason I don't have one of those is because I like having enough room, comfortable seats and sitting higher up than a sedan allows. It makes me feel better in traffic because most people drive massive vehicles and I spent years driving huge vans. Rivian IS the Ferarri of SUVs and trucks.

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[DayTripping]

I'll take a Tesla or a Rivian, as a daily driver over any Ferrari, Aston, etc. My neighbors are into Ferraris, Astons, Lambos but I'm not any more. I want reliable cars, have great AC, will survive in the hot Texas heat, and still be quick for my daily drivers. I am past the point in my life, or maybe I never had it, where I need to impress people around me by what I drive. Or have some "elusive" quality in my vehicles that other cars don't. Most of the people who are in the prancing horse crowd dismiss EVs anyway. I've never been conformist so I don't care what others think in the first place. My tastes were more aligned my old Lotus Europa JPS, TVRs, or my really quirky Renault R5 Turbo. I was always a fan of the Killer B rally cars more than most sportscars.

If I ever owned another Italian car it would be another Lambo, not a Ferrari. Even then, almost any of those are too low to survive the traffic and crappy roads here. The Tesla is just about as low of a car as I could survive with here and thankfully you can raise it like the Rivian for more ground clearance. For me an EV gives me supercar performance without the headaches. It can survive bumper to bumper traffic, carry my family comfortably, and reliably. The only 2-seaters in my collection will be motorcycles at this point

While I like my Rivian, I wouldn't equate a vehicle with almost no options, a cookie cutter approach with a very customizable, almost bespoke vehicle, with high levels of craftsmanship like a Ferrari or Lamborghini. They followed Tesla down that limited option path. It is a pretty much one size fits most approach, which I hate, but helps them simplify production.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I'll take a Tesla or a Rivian, as a daily driver over any Ferrari, Aston, etc. My neighbors are into Ferraris, Astons, Lambos but I'm not any more. I want reliable cars, have great AC, will survive in the hot Texas heat, and still be quick for my daily drivers. I am past the point in my life, or maybe I never had it, where I need to impress people around me by what I drive. Or have some "elusive" quality in my vehicles that other cars don't. Most of the people who are in the prancing horse crowd dismiss EVs anyway. I've never been conformist so I don't care what others think in the first place. My tastes were more aligned my old Lotus Europa JPS, TVRs, or my really quirky Renault R5 Turbo. I was always a fan of the Killer B rally cars more than most sportscars.

If I ever owned another Italian car it would be another Lambo, not a Ferrari. Even then, almost any of those are too low to survive the traffic and crappy roads here. The Tesla is just about as low of a car as I could survive with here and thankfully you can raise it like the Rivian for more ground clearance. For me an EV gives me supercar performance without the headaches. It can survive bumper to bumper traffic, carry my family comfortably, and reliably. The only 2-seaters in my collection will be motorcycles at this point

While I like my Rivian, I wouldn't equate a vehicle with almost no options, a cookie cutter approach with a very customizable, almost bespoke vehicle, with high levels of craftsmanship like a Ferrari or Lamborghini. They followed Tesla down that limited option path. It is a pretty much one size fits most approach, which I hate, but helps them simplify production.

I don't mean Rivian is to the level of quality Ferrari has. What I meant was Rivian is the closest I'm going to get while seating 7 people comfortably, be reliable and off-road capable for hunting/ rock climbing approaches. Even Tesla isn't big enough or utilitarian enough for my needs. I would pay more for a more bespoke experience provided it fits with my size and capability needs. Nothing foots that bill and Rivian is close enough in their Ascend interior to satisfy that level of style. Would I rather design my own? Absolutely, but as you said that isn't an option.

 

[bmedfo1]

Realistically, almost nothing is going to touch a high performance AWD EV on the street. Our slowest EV, a Model 3 Long Range with boost, will consistently run a real 3.7 0-60 (not omitting rollout) and there is almost nothing I've encountered on the street that will beat it on the street. Many cars that are quicker than it on the track, are humbled by it on the street. Traction is almost the limiting factor.

Line up against an S Plaid, and it will take a really quick car to beat one. For reference, mine at 50% SoC will still run a 2.4 0-60 (not omitting rollout) or 2.2 if you want to compare to the Tri might show when in launch mode. That isn't using launch mode or anything on the Plaid or even a warm pack.

Modern EVs are just stupid quick, at least 0-60. The Plaid was the first one that didn't really die off over 60 mph. I ran some 90-110 times on G1 quad recently. The time it takes to go from 90-110, the Plaid can just about go 0-100.

I'd like to see more in depth testing on the G2 quad when it finally launches. The ~2.5 0-60 time isn't bad but I'd like to see more data at higher speed intervals. What does it run 60-130. That looks to be about 8+ seconds, which isn't bad but puts it slower than something like the 2022+ Model S Long Range. That is a fairly satisfying car to drive once you get past its fairly slow 0-30 times.

I too would like to see more higher speed data like 50-100. 0-60 is an overhyped stat. while my Gen1 quad might be faster 0-60 I have been pulled un at highways speeds by some of my other cars in the family including. C8, Cherokee Trackhawk, Charger helcat, CTSV blackwing.

 

[DayTripping]

I too would like to see more higher speed data like 50-100. 0-60 is an overhyped stat. while my Gen1 quad might be faster 0-60 I have been pulled un at highways speeds by some of my other cars in the family including. C8, Cherokee Trackhawk, Charger helcat, CTSV blackwing.

Sadly, it is the most hyped stat and arguably, one of the easiest to replicate yourself without going to jail in most states. Don't ask me how I know.

The Gen 1 speed limiter of 110 irritates me, hence the reason I'd really like launch mode. All Rivians I've driven so far seem to lay down over about 50 mph, including the Tri. It is only slightly quicker than the G1 quad, and will likely come down to charge level and drive mode. I can count on one hand the EVs that I've driven that don't lay down over 60 mph's and most of those are made by a company that begins with T.

That was the same company that really focused on the 0-60 metric initially to help pump cars. A quick 0-60 will help with 1/4 mile ETs but then you'd look at the trap speeds and see how badly they fell off after 60.

I've run basically every interval I could with my truck except for clean 1/4 mile passes. Something has always interrupted them before the end. I have a good idea of how it will perform at most SoC's. The good news is that it really doesn't fall off at lower SoC's than I thought it would. As is typical, it impacts the higher speed ranges the most. Peak SoC I've tested with is 85% and lowest was 40%.

I expect the G2 quad to give me the performance I'd really like with my Rivian as the Tri clearly doesn't cut it for me. It might just be quick enough to get me to upgrade. I'd have to see how its times stack up against a Cyberbeast CT after I see more data. From what I've seen it might match the G2 quad's 0-60, the 1/4 is only a bit quicker, despite a lot more power. Concerningly, the 45-65 sprint looks to be slower than the CB CT. So I really want to dive into the data when more is available and an actual production model has been released.

I'd probably give it a year to sort out the issues before I bought one. If I were to buy another expensive EV, I'd want to make sure it was really dialed in. Love or hate Tesla, my S Plaid was really dialed in with no issues and good QC. Then again, I didn't buy the first model year.

 

[bmedfo1]

I agree on all the above and I think you and I are some of the exceptions who truly care about this stuff. For the first time I am starting to consider taking my $3000 back. I am going to Test drive the Escalade IQ today, While this will be significantly slower I am just ready to mix it up and get something new and unfortunately Rivian has not made a compelling option. For me 3 years is a long time to keep the same daily driver especially when I can really do any substantial aftermarket modifications. The gen 2 quad even if they make it completely bland would be great but the uncertainty is killing me. what if we wait 6 more months just to find out deliveries will start in December and possibly a few more months for my spot in line/state.

 

[Count Orlok]

Count is a quitter, confirmed.

Sometimes. Money will be better spent on The Count's Quartermaster.


Also, here's the electric truck The Count is going to check out this weekend...

 

[Dark-Fx]

Sometimes. Money will be better spent on The Count's Quartermaster.


Also, here's the electric truck The Count is going to check out this weekend...

Is it a tri-motor?

 

[MountainBikeDude]

Sometimes. Money will be better spent on The Count's Quartermaster.


Also, here's the electric truck The Count is going to check out this weekend...

Watch out for Mr Bean.

 

[bmedfo1]

I might also be a quitter. Going to Drive the Escalade IQ today and with no recent news on the gen 2 quad i might just stop waiting.

I am fortunate enough to be ready for an upgrade from my Gen 1 LE. I would love to stay with Rivian but I just dont see the gen 2 Tri motor as much of a change.

IMO Rivian needs to do something to recapture the the initial buyers. Many of those who chose to drop $75-80k 3 years ago are the same type who get something new every few years. Also becase the Rivian is tech heavy, EV, more risky as a company and adventure targeted the buyers are much more likely to be career age and growing financially to where they can buy more car in 3 years.

 

[MountainBikeDude]

I might also be a quitter. Going to Drive the Escalade IQ today and with no recent news on the gen 2 quad i might just stop waiting.

I am fortunate enough to be ready for an upgrade from my Gen 1 LE. I would love to stay with Rivian but I just dont see the gen 2 Tri motor as much of a change.

IMO Rivian needs to do something to recapture the the initial buyers. Many of those who chose to drop $75-80k 3 years ago are the same type who get something new every few years. Also becase the Rivian is tech heavy, EV, more risky as a company and adventure targeted the buyers are much more likely to be career age and growing financially to where they can buy more car in 3 years.

I was curious about the IQ because of your comment. Reviews unfortunately, aren't great though. Considering the size it should be palatial on the interior space, but seemingly it's the opposite.

 

[bmedfo1]

Still waiting for the Gen 2 quad. The Escalade IQ was incredibly impressive and a step up from the Rivian in so many ways, 4 wheel steering in incredible. The cabin is silent. IMO it just better looking. I love the steering wheel paddel for additional Regen braking on demand.

But...... It is painfully slow. Like crazy slow and has awful torque steer under acceleration. This for me was a deal breaker.

 

[bfilippo]

Still waiting for the Gen 2 quad. The Escalade IQ was incredibly impressive and a step up from the Rivian in so many ways, 4 wheel steering in incredible. The cabin is silent. IMO it just better looking. I love the steering wheel paddel for additional Regen braking on demand.

But...... It is painfully slow. Like crazy slow and has awful torque steer under acceleration. This for me was a deal breaker.

Interesting to hear. I just bought a used G1 Quad from a Cadillac dealer because the owner traded in for the IQ, so I have been curious what people are thinking about it. Interior looks very nice (it is a Cadillac), but the power stats definitely didn't seem like it would even come close to the Rivian, and I assume it has less towing capacity. I also personally do not like the exterior at all, seems a bit fuddy duddy to me - but I am a millennial, lol.

 

[roketdog]

I might also be a quitter. Going to Drive the Escalade IQ today and with no recent news on the gen 2 quad i might just stop waiting.

I am fortunate enough to be ready for an upgrade from my Gen 1 LE. I would love to stay with Rivian but I just dont see the gen 2 Tri motor as much of a change.

IMO Rivian needs to do something to recapture the the initial buyers. Many of those who chose to drop $75-80k 3 years ago are the same type who get something new every few years. Also becase the Rivian is tech heavy, EV, more risky as a company and adventure targeted the buyers are much more likely to be career age and growing financially to where they can buy more car in 3 years.

Loyalty Discount, 1k or 2k? What would keep you buying a new car that frequently if they keep updating and making them attractive enough to entice you? Just curious.

I just purchased the New Y as I sold my Suburban when I purchased the Rivian and need another vehicle in the household. I was shocked that Tesla didn’t do much as I already have a MY, Solar Panels and Powerwalls, and now the new MY.

I think 1.5K discount and another 500 credits for the shop/accessories would keep me in the motivated to upgrade category.

 

[bmedfo1]

Loyalty Discount, 1k or 2k? What would keep you buying a new car that frequently if they keep updating and making them attractive enough to entice you? Just curious.

I just purchased the New Y as I sold my Suburban when I purchased the Rivian and need another vehicle in the household. I was shocked that Tesla didn’t do much as I already have a MY, Solar Panels and Powerwalls, and now the new MY.

I think 1.5K discount and another 500 credits for the shop/accessories would keep me in the motivated to upgrade category.

For me it’s about features and upgrades and the excitement around something new. That is where I am struggling to give up my Gen 1 quad for like $50k to buy a Gen 2 quad for like $120k if it’s just ~ 20% more power and some minor upgrades. (Especially over the LE)

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