20" Inch LTX MS/2 or Goodyear Territory - Help me decide

[n8rivian]

My Pirelli AT's are nearing end of life and the hum @ 35-45mph has made me decide to make the change sooner rather than later. I have scoured the forum and think I have narrowed it down to the :

Michelin LTX M/S 2 in 275/65R20
or the
Goodyear Territory AT 275/60R20

my priorities would be in order:
1. Noise/Comfort
2. Efficiency
3. Off road ability (gravel/dirt, fire roads, light North Georgia trails)
4. Longevity/cost
5. Looks

I really like the stance of the 34's but don't want the efficiency hit of real LT's.
Vote and help me decide or give me any other feedback I may be missing.
Thanks!

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[bael]

@DayTripping has a long thread with lots of observations on the Goodyear that you may want to check out
https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...y-at-275-60-20-factory-at-tires-saving.37522/

 

[bael]

As a follow up, I'm waiting to have the Goodyear's installed (hopefully tomorrow). Once I've got them, depending on where you may be in the N. GA area - if you'd like to see then in person, happy to meet up

 

[n8rivian]

Thanks @bael I am in atlanta but usually mtb/camp near bear creek or bull and jake mt. I do like the look of the goodyears, but hope they don't get progressively louder like the pirelli's.... those started off relatively quiet as well but after 13-15k miles the db's really went up.

 

[DayTripping]

I love the Goodyears so far but my priorities were a bit different than yours but similar. I lived in the N. Ga. mountains for some time. I ended up buying the Goodyears and have been very happy with them so far. While efficiency wasn't my top priority, they have been better than I thought they would be. As @bael kindly pointed out, I started a thread on the tires and why I bought them and the Michelins were the other tires I was considering.

From what I've read, the Michelins might be more efficient than the Goodyears. They might wear longer too and have a treadwear warranty. They GY doesn't have a treadwear warranty since it is n OEM tire and I don't know of any OEM tires that do.

I bought the GY's as they have a higher traction rating and that was more important to me from a handling and safety perspective. The tread was a bit more aggressive and I didn't realize how much better they would actually look on the truck or that might have vainly been a high priority. See pic for reference.

In the thread bael listed, I captured my detailed comments and efficiency numbers. I've been very happy with the tires and I'd buy them again. If you are a USAA member, there is apparently a 25% GY discount that will apply to these tires.

I've been as objective as I could about them. These are not a super heavy duty offroad tire but more of an aggressive all season. @B Digs can provide the ply detail. I don't believe they are 10 ply. I used to spend a lot of time between Dahlonega the S. Carolina border ATVing, motorcycling and driving my trucks. Treadwise I think the GY's would do great, I'd just watch out for tree branch punctures when deeper in the woods. I was pretty cautious and never had that happen. I've run the GY's on dirt and gravel and have been very happy with them. I just wouldn't use them for very severe duty but fire roading this truck would be a blast.

 

[TollKeeper]

My (lone) vote is for the Michelin. I have always had really good luck with them. Been running them for nearly 25 years on all my cars/trucks. I had run GoodYear a few times, and will never go down that road again. Only ever had 1 good set of GoodYears, and that was on my Subaru B9 Tribeca that came from the factory with them. The rest always had blow outs, weird wear, unable to balance correctly, etc.

 

[DayTripping]

I was in the Michelin camp for years, until I bought the Goodyears. I spent about 7k in Michelin tires alone last year and ended up with the GY's for my R1T. The main reason is they were specifically designed for the Rivian in conjunction with GY.

They have been a phenomenal tire so far. Last GY's I owned were Gatorbacks back on a Vette in the 80's. (which I was very happy with). It took a lot for me to switch from running almost exclusively on Michelins since then.

 

[B Digs]

I love the Goodyears so far but my priorities were a bit different than yours but similar. I lived in the N. Ga. mountains for some time. I ended up buying the Goodyears and have been very happy with them so far. While efficiency wasn't my top priority, they have been better than I thought they would be. As @bael kindly pointed out, I started a thread on the tires and why I bought them and the Michelins were the other tires I was considering.

From what I've read, the Michelins might be more efficient than the Goodyears. They might wear longer too and have a treadwear warranty. They GY doesn't have a treadwear warranty since it is n OEM tire and I don't know of any OEM tires that do.

I bought the GY's as they have a higher traction rating and that was more important to me from a handling and safety perspective. The tread was a bit more aggressive and I didn't realize how much better they would actually look on the truck or that might have vainly been a high priority. See pic for reference.

In the thread bael listed, I captured my detailed comments and efficiency numbers. I've been very happy with the tires and I'd buy them again. If you are a USAA member, there is apparently a 25% GY discount that will apply to these tires.

I've been as objective as I could about them. These are not a super heavy duty offroad tire but more of an aggressive all season. @B Digs can provide the ply detail. I don't believe they are 10 ply. I used to spend a lot of time between Dahlonega the S. Carolina border ATVing, motorcycling and driving my trucks. Treadwise I think the GY's would do great, I'd just watch out for tree branch punctures when deeper in the woods. I was pretty cautious and never had that happen. I've run the GY's on dirt and gravel and have been very happy with them. I just wouldn't use them for very severe duty but fire roading this truck would be a blast.

Hi all, the Goodyear tire designed for Rivian definitely prioritizes noise, comfort and efficiency. It also keeps with Rivian’s Adventurous Forever mantra and will perform well off-road. It’s not a dedicated off-road tire, but it does perform well in all conditions without the tradeoffs of an off-road focused tire. Here is the ply information on the Goodyear sidewall.

 

[DayTripping]

All I could find on the Michelin was 4 ply and no break down of construction. Most sites just said 4 ply or nothing at all.

https://www.amazon.com/MICHELIN-Defender-LTX-60R20-116H/dp/B0BRTDHBK6

 

[ksurfier]

Big question: Do you want need snow cert 3PMSF? If so then Goodyear…

Subjective scores

priorities would be in order:

1. Noise/Comfort - Defender by a point or two

2. Efficiency - Defender by a hair (tbd)

3. Off road ability (gravel/dirt, fire roads, light
North Georgia trails) - Goodyear, by a point

4. Longevity/cost - Defender by several points

5. Looks - Goodyear by 5 points


Unless #5 is enough to sway you, then it seems like defender long life (low cost) and noise is the tire you want…

 

[DayTripping]

I would say #4 is too early to tell. Most likely the Defenders will last longer but the question is by how much. If you can use the USAA 25% discount, that really can reduce the cost per mile.

I personally gave up on ultimate tire longevity, as almost always these tires have less traction. A tire with better grip might help me avoid an accident which would cost me far more than a set of tires cost in the first place. So for me that a bit of false economy. Same reason why I spend the money to buy dedicated ice tires if I am going to spend a fair amount of time in that climate.

 

[racekarl]

I was in basically the same boat and went with the Goodyears for a few reasons:

1. RIV branded OEM tire means fewer possible potential warranty issues. I do some occasional towing and load carrying, so having them tested and certified by Rivan is reassuring to me.
2. Easier for me to source locally.
3. Looks.

 

[ksurfier]

I would say #4 is too early to tell. Most likely the Defenders will last longer but the question is by how much. If you can use the USAA 25% discount, that really can reduce the cost per mile.

I personally gave up on ultimate tire longevity, as almost always these tires have less traction. A tire with better grip might help me avoid an accident which would cost me far more than a set of tires cost in the first place. So for me that a bit of false economy. Same reason why I spend the money to buy dedicated ice tires if I am going to spend a fair amount of time in that climate.

The Defenders have a mileage warranty, GYs do not…

 

[DayTripping]

The Defenders have a mileage warranty, GYs do not…

Yep, as explained, it is an OEM tire, and I don't know of any OEM tires that have one. If I want max mileage, I'll put rocks on my car. I've had some good wearing OEM tires. I've also worn out supposed high mileage tires far quicker than they were guaranteed to last.

 

[s00n]

I just put on some Michelin LTX M/S2's (275/65R20) today - not an LT tire, ride much improved over OEM Pirellis (but I'm coming from Hakkapelittas), quieter than either previous tire. Too early to tell on range but they're light (~43 lbs). Plan on light off-roading to go to our cabin/car camp, see no issues.

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