US HOUSE LIKELY TO KILL EV TAX CREDIT, SPEAKER JOHNSON SAYS

[DayTripping]

What about all the rubber dust our heavy EVs spew into the air? EVs chew up tires worse than ICE. You end up with lots of microplastics in your water and air. I'd say this could be far worse than some of the ICE emissions, where vehicles have become so clean compared to what they were.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/tire...e wear particles, or TWP,Yale Environment 360

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[captainjp]

What about all the rubber dust our heavy EVs spew into the air? EVs chew up tires worse than ICE. You end up with lots of microplastics in your water and air. I'd say this could be far worse than some of the ICE emissions, where vehicles have become so clean compared to what they were.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/tire-pollution-toxic-chemicals#:~:text=Tire wear particles, or TWP,Yale Environment 360

In addition to their emissions, ICE vehicles spew the same “rubber dust” into the air. The difference compared to EV’s in nominal.

 

[emoore]

What about all the rubber dust our heavy EVs spew into the air? EVs chew up tires worse than ICE. You end up with lots of microplastics in your water and air. I'd say this could be far worse than some of the ICE emissions, where vehicles have become so clean compared to what they were.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/tire-pollution-toxic-chemicals#:~:text=Tire wear particles, or TWP,Yale Environment 360

Just because EVs have "rubber dust" the same as ICE doesn't mean we shouldn't be getting rid of the emissions of ICE by switching to EVs. It's not an all or nothing thing. Hopefully someday we can eliminate the tire emissions too.

 

[SANZC02]

All of the people that say it doesn’t make a difference because it is a small percentage or this or that puzzles me. Reminds me of people buried in debt that still get a $6 Starbucks and goes out to lunch everyday because it is just a small amount of spending.

 

[DayTripping]

Just because EVs have "rubber dust" the same as ICE doesn't mean we shouldn't be getting rid of the emissions of ICE by switching to EVs. It's not an all or nothing thing. Hopefully someday we can eliminate the tire emissions too.

I am not saying that, but there is always something to consider. It isn't as simple as we often like to pretend. I am probably one of the biggest EV fans here, and a very early adopter. I am also pretty pragmatic and check my emotions at the door. We still don't have a good handle on recycling the batteries and the long term impact. We could do more to limit degradation. There are many things we could still do better.

 

[emoore]

I am not saying that, but there is always something to consider. It isn't as simple as we often like to pretend. I am probably one of the biggest EV fans here, and a very early adopter. I am also pretty pragmatic and check my emotions at the door. We still don't have a good handle on recycling the batteries and the long term impact. We could do more to limit degradation. There are many things we could still do better.

Absolutely we can do things better. We just have to start somewhere and solve issues as we go along.

 

[pricedm]

In a way, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Subsidies like this one and the solar tax credit, artificially inflate the cost to the customer. Why wouldn't you raise the price by 27% or $7,500? If you know the customer is just going to get it back from the government?

Didn't happen with the EV tax credit. Tesla consistently LOWERED prices after gaining access to federal tax credit.

 

[pricedm]

In other news, they are looking to pass an EV Vehicle tax since EV's don't use gas and don't contribute to the taxes on gas that go to infrastructure.

Honestly, I could see that, if it is reasonable.

Sure, if a gasmobile travels 40k miles at 25 mpg the proposed federal EV tax credit is "fair."

Don't forget to add in external costs, such as air pollution, illness (asthma, etc.) due to pollution from burning carbon...which 100% never will be implemented. USA needs a carbon tax!

 

[BigSkies]

I am not saying that, but there is always something to consider. It isn't as simple as we often like to pretend. I am probably one of the biggest EV fans here, and a very early adopter. I am also pretty pragmatic and check my emotions at the door. We still don't have a good handle on recycling the batteries and the long term impact. We could do more to limit degradation. There are many things we could still do better.

It's not even something worth considering. Let's go down the list:

EV vs ICE carbon emissions: Massively lower. You can adjust your own assumptions, but most lifcycle assessments put emission of EV's at least 50% lower.

PM 2.5, VOC, and Nitrous Oxide emissions are dramatically lower for EV's vs. ICE. This is the air you breath. I personally live in a part of Colorado where the summer air is literally taking years off my life and my kids lives. The two biggest controllable contributors to our toxic air (and in many US cities) is pollution from combustion engines and local oil & gas drilling. Public health officials estimate there are between 19,000 and 54,000 annual premature deaths in the US attributable to mobile source emissions. These are emissions that are literally shortening our lives.

Go find me the annual fatalities from small increments of rubber pollution. I can't find it.

"It's something to consider" is just straight up American Petroleum Institute propaganda and falsehood.s It's not that rubber pollution is zero, but it's such a minuscule thing in comparison to the real and legitimate public health hazards combustion engines put us through every day.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

drill baby drill.....why do I feel like we are in the dentists office?

" You know not to get political, but I saw yesterday where more Democrats buys EV so that should tell you lot about why this cut is coming and who really wants to save the planet." It sounds like some people in Congress is getting kick back money from BIG Oil.

Unfortunately its political...and while I don't get into left vs right I will say this. Does it make sense, with the current administration pushing an America first agenda, for us to be pushing oil?

There is no way we extract enough oil to meet all our demands..we have to import...enriching other countries. Instead of putting america first as they say...we will give the EV industry over to China...seal the fate of the American auto industry in 10-20 years.

Electric vehicles support American companies, American workers, American infrastructure, and promote American energy independence.

If there was any issue that could bring both sides together it should be EVs!!! I don't get it.

 

[ukyank]

If your income qualifies you for the tax credit, you probably shouldn’t be buying a Rivian anyways (until the R2/3 is released)

 

[emoore]

If your income qualifies you for the tax credit, you probably shouldn’t be buying a Rivian anyways (until the R2/3 is released)

I'd say you might be able to afford a Rivian making $300k. Also what about people with significant investments that are taxed at capital gains?

 

[ukyank]

I'd say you might be able to afford a Rivian making $300k. Also what about people with significant investments that are taxed at capital gains?

That’s for joint filers, but either way I didn’t ever consider 6 figure (or near 6 figure) vehicles until my income was very much in excess of those numbers

 

[mkg3]

It seems to me that we have choices.

If we call EV motor or ICE as propulsion option, then the consumers have choice of propulsion. In the past, it was viewed in terms of gasoline engine or diesel engine. Now add electric motor to the mix. Pick what works for you.

With eFuel becoming available, where its made from water and captured CO2 using renewable electricity, ICE may have longer life than anyone have thought.

I do not believe its anyone's dictate what kind of vehicle I can and cannot buy, especially the government.

So, I am just happy that we have more choices today than ever.

 

[Thedude]

All of the people that say it doesn’t make a difference because it is a small percentage or this or that puzzles me.

It’s not that it doesn’t make a difference, it’s just that it’s not a magic bullet solution. The statement implying that not buying an EV means you don’t care about saving the planet is just misleading and misinformation.

There is no way we extract enough oil to meet all our demands..we have to import...enriching other countries. Instead of putting america first as they say...we will give the EV industry over to China...seal the fate of the American auto industry in 10-20 years.

We actually produce more oil/petroleum than we consume in the US. We are the #1 oil producing nation but also the #1 in consumption. We export more oil than we import and the majority of our imported oil is Canadian.

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