Universal Hands-Free can kill you! (If you don’t read release notes)

[LoneStar]

OK, I realize this thread title is controversial and admins may strike it down. I got the .46 update and was excited to give it a try - after watching several of the Rivian influencer reviews from the 'Autonomy Day' event. I do recall the Rivian person in the vehicle (repeatedly) saying this is an engineering test version. I somehow never caught-on it was demonstrating capabilities WAY ahead of what was rolling-out to start. Namely I was jazzed to watch the intersection driving and sign/light recognition, etc.

Well, NONE of that capability comes with this initial USD code.

My initial drive happened to begin on a neighborhood road that leads to a redlight controlled intersection. I was heading towards it at about 45-50 mph watching the light color status. It happened to be green as I approached but still a good way from it. As luck would have it, it turned yellow about the point at which you make that mental note of "will I or won't I" try to make the yellow light. Of course I just let it do its thing, unaware that intersections are completely uncontrolled.

I thought it was pretty "ballsy" the way it didn't flinch. Then I realized it wasn't slowing down at all and I was heading right towards running the redlight! I braked about as hard as the Rivian is able and stopped maybe a tad across the pedestrian walkway lines. I was like WTF!

OK, I should have read more and watched other reviews, etc. I got suckered into thinking it came out the box capable of managing traffic intersections. Boy was I wrong!

I did notice probably two intersections later that it flashed something like "controlled intersection ahead take appropriate actions" (or something like that). Either it didn't display the first time or I didn't see it.

I'll probably get fried by the parental types here but wanted to share my experience to avoid other bonsai drivers like me just diving right into it with unwise expectations.

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[Dark-Fx]

It's crazy that you somehow missed all the notes.

 

[LoneStar]

I described my approach as bonsai, so at least I'm self-aware Riviot

 

[LivingInKaos]

It's crazy that you somehow missed all the notes.

Like the one that says it's for Gen 2 only ? OP had an outdated sig and I was not aware

 

[mkhuffman]

Wow. Dude. I am glad you are OK.

Once supervised point-to-point is released (in a year or so, IMO), it will still require supervision, and I expect it will make mistakes. So even then, people need to be paying attention and ready to intervene when a mistake is made.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Like the one that says it's for Gen 2 only ?

I don't know of anywhere around me that would allow a gen1 to be on highway assist without barking madly at you for it ending because a light is coming up. But I suppose it's possible that exists somewhere. I was giving the OP the benefit of the doubt here on vehicle generation.

 

[LoneStar]

Like the one that says it's for Gen 2 only ?

Took me a moment to interpret this, until I realized my signature info was outdated on the vehicle. Moved from the '23 R1S to a '25 R1T Dual Perf. a couple months back... Updated my sig.

 

[LivingInKaos]

Took me a moment to interpret this, until I realized my signature info was outdated on the vehicle. Moved from the '23 R1S to a '25 R1T Dual Perf. a couple months back... Updated my sig.

Ha, ok ! My comment retracted !

 

[Pouyafrankie]

Ha, I work in legal at a tech company, and everytime we publish a new notice or terms or a new feature, a big part of what keeps me up at night is the question "how can we get people to actually read this and understand it?" No matter how clear or explicit we think we are being, there will always be people that just jump right in. Doesn't help when marketing goes bananas with videos and ads and collabs skipping over all the disclosures we spent weeks/months perfecting

 

[Dark-Fx]

Ha, I work in legal at a tech company, and everytime we publish a new notice or terms or a new feature, a big part of what keeps me up at night is the question "how can we get people to actually read this and understand it?" No matter how clear or explicit we think we are being, there will always be people that just jump right in. Doesn't help when marketing goes bananas with videos and ads and collabs skipping over all the disclosures we spent weeks/months perfecting

There is a little pop-up on the driver's display about an impending traffic light, but I could see someone missing it because it's kind of the same general area as the song change pop-ups, which I find to be wholly unnecessary notification fatigue.

 

[LivingInKaos]

Something everyone needs to be aware of - There is a BIG difference between Level 2 and Level 3 autonomy and it has nothing to do with ability - it's everything to do with liability. As soon as an automaker labels their system as Level 3 - they are assuming liability/responsibility for the vehicle actions while under autonomous control. This is why it's taking soooo long to get here with Tesla. They are still considering FSD Level 2.5 (the .5 thing is not a thing really). That should tell you something about FSD - it's not good enough that Tesla is willing to take liability yet.....

 

[beatle]

I described my approach as bonsai BANZAI! so at least I'm self-aware Riviot

FTFY

 

[LivingInKaos]

There is a little pop-up on the driver's display about an impending traffic light, but I could see someone missing it because it's kind of the same general area as the song change pop-ups, which I find to be wholly unnecessary notification fatigue.

I personally don't see stopping for stop signs/lights becoming a thing until P2P is released. Heck, they can't even get go chime right still .....

 

[johnj2803]

after the update is done you will get a warning that it does not stop at lights or stop signs.

 

[LivingInKaos]

after the update is done you will get a warning that it does not stop at lights or stop signs.

Again, people tend not to read...

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