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Thought I'd put down some pros and cons of EVs in general, and my R1T in particular for whatever help or insight it might provide to those considering making the plunge. Please feel free to add or correct, or ask questions and I'll try to answer based on my limited perspective.

So, perhaps the biggest remaining concerns folks have about EVs in general are: Range, charging, cost, batteries, and practicality.

Unless you are driving hundreds of miles a day in steep terrain, in cold weather, or towing across the country, range isn't really a concern anymore. My 2026 R1T dual motor max pack has a rated range of 420 miles when fully charged. That range will vary somewhat depending on your driving stye, steep hills, cold weather, how much you use the HVAC, high winds, if you're towing, and so on. It will vary to a greater degree than mileage/range on an ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) vehicles, but not so much greater. In practice, it has never been an issue for me in real life; I have yet needed to charge anywhere but at home.

What about that charging? Others have stated that range anxiety isn't so much about range as it is about charging speeds and convenience. It is true that currently, there are not as many charging stations out in the wild as there are gas stations, and in general, it takes longer to "fill up" an EV than a gas tank. But it is also true that the number of places you can charge an EV are continuing to increase, and battery technology is now growing at a rapid pace -- so rapid in fact that an EV you purchase today may be quickly out-classed in charging speed within a few years, not unlike how quickly smart phones evolved in their first decade. But in practice, I have not yet been inconvenienced in any way regarding charging, and in fact, charging at home is incredibly convenient. My 2026 R1T max pack is hardly the winner in a charging race; there are other EVs out there that will charge faster -- and yet, in practice, it does not have any impact because I simply plug it in at night at home, and in the morning, it's done charging from a lowly level 2 charger and whether it finishes charging at 2am or 6am is inconsequential. On the road there are level 4 chargers your EV will show you and route you to that will charge from 20% to 80% in about 20 minutes, depending. It will take longer to charge from 80% to 100% than it is worth waiting for.

What is consequential is the cost of that charging. I have not yet calculated my savings, but you can take the cost of your electricity per kilowatt hour, and the efficiency of your EV (My R1T is averaging 2.9 miles/kHr - hardly the most efficient EV out there, it is a work truck) and compare it to the mileage and cost per gallon of gas to calculate your own potential savings. I do know that I'm paying way less per mile of travel than I was driving an ICE, because I am charging at home where my rate is roughly nine cents/kHr, vs $.60/kHr at L4 chargers. Also, no oil changes, no maintenance charges so far (it's still new) -- EVs have far fewer movings parts than ICE so your total cost of ownership is going to be significantly lower than that of an ICE vehicle, with the probable exception of tires. Because of the increased weight of the batteries and curb weight of an EV, plus their remarkable acceleration, you are likely going to chew through your tires faster than a comparable ICE vehicle, but still the overall cost of ownership will be less.

There's some misinformation out there regarding battery life and the cost of replacing them. The truth is that current batteries are likely going to outlive your ownership of the vehicle in the same way your engine is going to last the time of ownership. EV batteries are expected to retain 80% or better of their capacity after 10 years of regular use. And there is also a growing industry of battery reuse and recycling. And newer battery technology is improving at a remarkable rate.

My R1T is simply the most practical vehicle I have yet owned. Ownership is easy, convienent, not all that expensive even with the higher upfront cost compared to an equivalent ICE truck, and yes, fun to drive. I'll leave it to others to relate how much fun these trucks are. My R1T is hardly perfect, there are quirks and design decisions I am not a fan of, and areas I think could be improved, especially at its price point, but those are relative quibbles. If you are considering getting an EV or Rivian in particular, ask away.
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2.9 is hardly inefficient for the R1T. You might have calculated your numbers wrong. 2.3-2.4 is typically what you could see with All Season tires and 1.9-2.1 is what you find with AT depending on your drive mode and driving split between highway and city.
 
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2.9 is hardly inefficient for the R1T. You might have calculated your numbers wrong. 2.3-2.4 is typically what you could see with All Season tires and 1.9-2.1 is what you find with AT depending on your drive mode and driving split between highway and city.
Yeah, I was comparing my 2.9 (22" sport tires) with other EVs on the market -- from the inter webs:
VEHICLE MODELMPGE RANGEEFFICIENCY (MI/KWH)BATTERY SIZE (KWH)
Tesla Model Y Standard RWD1404.1775
Kia EV6 Long Range 2WD1303.877.4
Hyundai IONIQ 51243.558
Nissan LEAF Extended Range1123.262
Ford Mustang Mach-E1003.088
 

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I think you’ll find 2.9 is likely not consistent with your long-term efficiency, especially with 22s. Doing a lot of regen-style driving will also put a lot of wear on your tires, especially if you’re sitting too low, with limited suspension travel. I’m also skeptical how you’re measuring your energy use. Rivian’s own dash gauge has always been comically inaccurate. I could use 100 kWh while parked and the gauge will somehow calculate my efficiency as 4 miles/kwh.

Using an app like TezLab or manually calculating after trips using the trip meter is the only way to accurately know your efficiency.
 

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I wouldn’t buy another R1 vehicle until it has 800v, 350kw charging and better charging curve. These aren’t cheap cars, and the time to charge from 10% to 80% needs to be under 30 minutes.
 

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Thank you for the honest assessment of your experience and observations (not sure why everyone is focusing on the 2.9 so hard...). But i would agree with your conclusion. While my R1T isnt perfect, I’m SO happy with the overall vehicle, features and ownership over the last 3 years. I came from ICE to this as my first EV, and i dont see a reason to go back. Are EV’s for everyone? NO… not at this time, but for those that can charge at home, and adjust their way of thinking of fueling their vehicles and traveling for road trips, its beyond awesome.

With that said, when I’m ready to upgrade or try something different, we will see what the market has to offer, and I will weigh the pros and cons for my use case and get what works best for me.
 

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I wouldn’t buy another R1 vehicle until it has 800v, 350kw charging and better charging curve. These aren’t cheap cars, and the time to charge from 10% to 80% needs to be under 30 minutes.
Rivian's thermals aren't great but it's a speedy charger compared to the Lightning ER we used to road trip in. We split time between Missouri and Montana and have been pleased with our max pack charging speeds with the latest updates.
 

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I have a Kia EV6 GT-L FE with the 800 Volt, 350Kw capability. After 40k miles in long distance travel, the only 350kW chargers are from EA. They have a 50% chance of working above 150 Kw. Design or local power company restrictions aside.

Bottom line. My travels with Rivian or my Kia have resulted in probably ten minutes charging time difference between the two in the the long run.

The optimum perfection is desirable but not practical. My usual satisfaction is with Tesla SC. A RELIABLE 100kW. (No twenty minute calls to support for a reboot of the charger.) By the the time we eat, pee, and walk off deep vein thrombosis, we are ready to roll at our desired charge level.

EA has given me lightning speed charging from the 350kW chargers - but I can count that experience on one hand with fingers left over.
 

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I am charging at home where my rate is roughly nine cents/kHr, vs $.60/kHr at L4 chargers.
What is a L4 charger?

Yeah, I was comparing my 2.9 (22" sport tires) with other EVs on the market -- from the inter webs:
VEHICLE MODELMPGE RANGEEFFICIENCY (MI/KWH)BATTERY SIZE (KWH)
Tesla Model Y Standard RWD1404.1775
Kia EV6 Long Range 2WD1303.877.4
Hyundai IONIQ 51243.558
Nissan LEAF Extended Range1123.262
Ford Mustang Mach-E1003.088
My Mach-e was 2.4-2.7 mi/kWh on the highway in the summer. My R1T is getting 2.2-2.5 on the highway (in the summer of course).

2.9 in a R1 is possible if you drive like grandma.
 

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I think you’ll find 2.9 is likely not consistent with your long-term efficiency, especially with 22s. Doing a lot of regen-style driving will also put a lot of wear on your tires, especially if you’re sitting too low, with limited suspension travel. I’m also skeptical how you’re measuring your energy use. Rivian’s own dash gauge has always been comically inaccurate. I could use 100 kWh while parked and the gauge will somehow calculate my efficiency as 4 miles/kwh.

Using an app like TezLab or manually calculating after trips using the trip meter is the only way to accurately know your efficiency.
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In Gen 2, 2.9 can be very realistic. In mild weather 45 degrees to 100 I get well over 3 mpk around town on 22s. At highway speeds in mountains 60 - 70 mph I average 2.7 - 2.8. those are for round trips of 50 + miles. One factor which throws the actuals off is if you park for an extended time, often the phantom drain kwh get added to the trip and lower the mpk. Cold weather lowers the range a lot. Hot weather over 100 lowers range some but not as bad as cold.
 

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That sounds about right. We also do not go "off road" into the wilds... at all. I opted for the Dual/Large and the range can give me 334 miles. Plenty. The closest, best calculation I found for getting to MPGe came from the "Aging Wheels" YouTube channel. From the channel:

((Distance / kW)Cost per kW.)1.1) = MPG/e

I tracked recharging my R1T; for 2025, I managed $0.81MPG/e and $0.11 cost per mile. Considerably less than my gas pick-up.

Here in Rhode Island, other than for convenience, there is no real cost benefit to charging at home; we do not have a "Time Of Use" rate (example; lower rates over night). Our kW costs vary per month. In December, it was $0.29kW, in January, it actually dropped to $0.28kW. From the phone app, in the last billing cycle, I determined that the R1T required 522kW of power to maintain the set level of charge (70-85% depending on what needs I had for a given stretch of time) and that ran me $146 to recharge for the month. I had put 1,381 miles on the truck in that time frame.

I DO have a 13.2kWh solar architecture on the house, and for 6 months, there is literally no charge to plug in the truck at home.

I think I went to 100% charge 4 times last year (in a panic). The EV charging infrastructure is growing here in New England. There are plenty of DCFC chargers around the region; without a subscription, the rates range from $0.42kW up to $0.90kW. I had used the Tesla Supercharger app for several months, but have been doing all L2 home charging since November. The Tesla subscription rates are $0.25kW for off peak.
 

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I wouldn’t buy another R1 vehicle until it has 800v, 350kw charging and better charging curve. These aren’t cheap cars, and the time to charge from 10% to 80% needs to be under 30 minutes.
I'll just assume you are living in an apt/condo with no access to home charging or take 10-20 long road trips/vacations every month. I recently used a local DCFC near my home and it was the first time I used a public charger at home in about 2 years. I also tow a zero turn ~200 miles between home and camp all summer, and never once used a public charger at camp in the last couple of years. I do a handful of other vacation/longer trips and don't keep track of how often I use public chargers, but doubt I would need all the fingers on my two hands to count the total for the year. And when I do, I spend about 1 minute or less of my time charging, because other than plugging it in and unplugging it, the rest of the time is spent eating which I would normally do on a road trip with any type of vehicle. Far less time than I would have to spend at a gas pump before or after eating.
 

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Thought I'd put down some pros and cons of EVs in general, and my R1T in particular for whatever help or insight it might provide to those considering making the plunge. Please feel free to add or correct, or ask questions and I'll try to answer based on my limited perspective.

So, perhaps the biggest remaining concerns folks have about EVs in general are: Range, charging, cost, batteries, and practicality.

Unless you are driving hundreds of miles a day in steep terrain, in cold weather, or towing across the country, range isn't really a concern anymore. My 2026 R1T dual motor max pack has a rated range of 420 miles when fully charged. That range will vary somewhat depending on your driving stye, steep hills, cold weather, how much you use the HVAC, high winds, if you're towing, and so on. It will vary to a greater degree than mileage/range on an ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) vehicles, but not so much greater. In practice, it has never been an issue for me in real life; I have yet needed to charge anywhere but at home.

What about that charging? Others have stated that range anxiety isn't so much about range as it is about charging speeds and convenience. It is true that currently, there are not as many charging stations out in the wild as there are gas stations, and in general, it takes longer to "fill up" an EV than a gas tank. But it is also true that the number of places you can charge an EV are continuing to increase, and battery technology is now growing at a rapid pace -- so rapid in fact that an EV you purchase today may be quickly out-classed in charging speed within a few years, not unlike how quickly smart phones evolved in their first decade. But in practice, I have not yet been inconvenienced in any way regarding charging, and in fact, charging at home is incredibly convenient. My 2026 R1T max pack is hardly the winner in a charging race; there are other EVs out there that will charge faster -- and yet, in practice, it does not have any impact because I simply plug it in at night at home, and in the morning, it's done charging from a lowly level 2 charger and whether it finishes charging at 2am or 6am is inconsequential. On the road there are level 4 chargers your EV will show you and route you to that will charge from 20% to 80% in about 20 minutes, depending. It will take longer to charge from 80% to 100% than it is worth waiting for.

What is consequential is the cost of that charging. I have not yet calculated my savings, but you can take the cost of your electricity per kilowatt hour, and the efficiency of your EV (My R1T is averaging 2.9 miles/kHr - hardly the most efficient EV out there, it is a work truck) and compare it to the mileage and cost per gallon of gas to calculate your own potential savings. I do know that I'm paying way less per mile of travel than I was driving an ICE, because I am charging at home where my rate is roughly nine cents/kHr, vs $.60/kHr at L4 chargers. Also, no oil changes, no maintenance charges so far (it's still new) -- EVs have far fewer movings parts than ICE so your total cost of ownership is going to be significantly lower than that of an ICE vehicle, with the probable exception of tires. Because of the increased weight of the batteries and curb weight of an EV, plus their remarkable acceleration, you are likely going to chew through your tires faster than a comparable ICE vehicle, but still the overall cost of ownership will be less.

There's some misinformation out there regarding battery life and the cost of replacing them. The truth is that current batteries are likely going to outlive your ownership of the vehicle in the same way your engine is going to last the time of ownership. EV batteries are expected to retain 80% or better of their capacity after 10 years of regular use. And there is also a growing industry of battery reuse and recycling. And newer battery technology is improving at a remarkable rate.

My R1T is simply the most practical vehicle I have yet owned. Ownership is easy, convienent, not all that expensive even with the higher upfront cost compared to an equivalent ICE truck, and yes, fun to drive. I'll leave it to others to relate how much fun these trucks are. My R1T is hardly perfect, there are quirks and design decisions I am not a fan of, and areas I think could be improved, especially at its price point, but those are relative quibbles. If you are considering getting an EV or Rivian in particular, ask away.
I have a 2022R1T and agree completely.
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